Why should Fulmer be fired?

#176
#176
AlpineVol said:
Fulmer's Record Since 1998

Years without SEC title: 8
Years without BCS bowl: 7
Years without top 10 ranking: 5
Years without AP Top 25 ranking: 2000, 2002, 2005, *probably* 2006
Years with 3 or more losses: 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 (5 straight years and 7 out of 8 )
Years with multiple losses to unranked teams: 2003, 2005
Years with loss in last 2 games of season: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 (EIGHT straight years and counting)

4-8 (.333) vs. Spurrier: (2-3 since 1998 )
2-4 (.333) vs. Richt
1-3 (.250) vs. Tuberville
1-2 (.333) vs. Saban
0-2 (.000) vs. Meyer

9-16 (.360) 1999 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB (thank God for Zook!)
7-15 (.318 ) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB
5-14 (.263) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB excluding games vs. Zook
5-12 (.294) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, AUB
3-11 (.214) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, AUB excluding games vs. Zook
5-9 (.357) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA
3-8 (.272) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA excluding games vs. Zook
2-5 (.286) 2000 - present vs. GA
8-14 (.363) vs. Top 10 teams 1999 - present
1-6 (.142) vs. Top 10 teams at home 2000 - present
6-12 (.333) vs. Top 10 teams 2000 - present
17-19 (.472) vs. Ranked Teams 1999 - present
2-5 (.285) Bowl games since 1998 (all double digit losses)
2-7 (.222) Postseason record since 1998 including SECCG (all double digit losses)

Losses To Unranked Teams:
2006 PSU 20 TN 10
2005 Van 28 TN 24
2005 SC 16 TN 15
2004 ND 17 TN 13
2003 Clem 27 TN 14
2003 Aub 28 TN 21
2001 GA 26 TN 24
2000 LSU 38 TN 31
1999 Ark 28 TN 24

Footnote: only AP polls were used for ranking purposes
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Great information. The above coach is the 6th highest paid coach in the country.
 
#178
#178
Warren, says your a coach and if that is true tell me this. Whose job is it to get the team prepared? Whose job is it to make sure that incase of injury you have a player to fill in that can do the job? Whose job is it to make sure the play calling is on par? Yep you guessed it. It is all the coaches responsibility. So why is it that he should stay? Doesn't look to me like he has any kind of a handle on the team. Also why as fans should we settle for anything but the best? Do you honestly think that there are not better coaches than Fulmer?

Vavol this is for you. With a top 5 recruiting class for how many years now we have done what with it? Yeah nothing.
 
#179
#179
Nice job on the stats.

3 most concerning points:

1. Against the upper-eschelon of the SEC, we are winning only 1 out of every 3 or 4 games.

2. A 1-6 record against top-10 teams AT HOME.

3. A 2-7 postseason record, with multiple embarrassments.

I love the fact that we won a NC in '98. But, some people need to realize that that's been almost a DECADE ago, and that our performance since then has been unaccpetable.
 
#180
#180
very nice job on the stats. I would be one of the first ones to say you cant blame everything on the coach. However the coach does have his share of responsibilty.
The vols have improved this year but still not where they should be.. fulmer should probably not be fired yet.. but it he also shouldnt be allowed to continue to be medicore. I say give him one more year and thats it.
 
#181
#181
AlpineVol, good job on compiling the case against Fulmer. It looks pretty clear cut, but the Fulmer apologists still refuse to look at the cold hard numbers.

Yesterday's game surprised me that we lost, but didnt surprise me in the way we lost. I think we got totally outcoached, and they made the big plays while we didnt. The more damning thing is that it was obvious to me that the psu coaches did their homework on UT. They didnt fall for more then one screen (why oh why did we fall in love with the screen so much yesterday), they shut down the deep ball, they knew we couldnt run, they knew they could run up the middle. And why did Coker barely see the field...because of his off-the-field problems?

The kicker is that the rap on psu is that they lost to all the good teams they played...what does that make us?

Anyways, Fulmer isnt going to get fired. You cant fire a 9-4 coach unless you're nebraska. But at the same time its clear we've hit a 3-5 loss plateau and we arent going up. So do I root for another awful season so we can fire Fulmer...or do I try to make myself happy with the inevitable 4-loss season next year? It sucks either way.

And for those who say "we had a good year"...well, who did we beat? A massively-overhyped Cali team that couldnt cover a simple hitch route? A four-loss uga team that had no qb at the time (but managed to beat a team in the top-10, something we didnt)? A SEVEN-loss Bama team with no coach? South Carolina? Kentucky?

Come on. We beat the teams we were supposed to beat, we lost to the teams that were actually good.

So I hope you're happy, Fulmer apologists. Keep living in 1998...you wouldnt like what happens after that.
 
#183
#183
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Exactly and that's the problem. When are they gonna realize that the SEC is growing and they are starting to get behind in the times?? I mean look at it, even Vandy is trying to grow. Its sad when UT can't see past 10 years ago and try to get something new in here. I think that Cut would be a good HC/OC and Troop would be a good DC. Even if it didn't happen like that I wouldn't complain. Its just time for some change on the Hill is all.
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Making Cut head coach would change nothing. Troop is not a defensive coach.
 
#185
#185
tvolsfan said:
I really, really want to see Hat and Orange Square debate on this...
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I thought I might be interested to see what they have to say, but its going to only change slightly. Hat will jump all over the bowl game, Orange blame the players more then coaching. Orange will defend Fulmer like family...one (more) loss wont change that. Hat will ramp up his criticism of Fulmer, but considering how high it already was it wont be very different. They'll both go back and forth insulting each other. The end.
 
#187
#187
TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
I thought I might be interested to see what they have to say, but its going to only change slightly. Hat will jump all over the bowl game, Orange blame the players more then coaching. Orange will defend Fulmer like family...one (more) loss wont change that. Hat will ramp up his criticism of Fulmer, but considering how high it already was it wont be very different. They'll both go back and forth insulting each other. The end.
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But now it seems the support from the rest of the VN has shifted dramatically over to Hat's side.
 
#188
#188
coachwarren said:
I asked this in a another thread but I'm really curious as to why people want to see Fulmer fired? Will that automatically make us national championship material without him? I'm serious, I'd like to see a well thought explaination without the usual BS because talk.
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Fulmer is fine where he's at, but he certainly needs a little bit of creativity in terms of plays. Not only Fulmer, but the coaching staff in general. :no:
 
#193
#193
hes not going to be fired anytime soon. So why do we waste all our time talking about him getting fired.
 
#196
#196
bubles_0n_sskye said:
Fulmer is fine where he's at, but he certainly needs a little bit of creativity in terms of plays. Not only Fulmer, but the coaching staff in general. :no:
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Fulmer is fine? Somebody please lock the door to the evidence room at the police dept. Did you not watch that game yesterday? If you did I beg you to also watch the Peach Bowl games against Maryland and Clemson. Same games different teams. In each case those coaches had their teams ready to play. CPF, not so much, that laid back country attitude is fine as long as you apply the ever so needed kick in the a$$ to get your boys fired up and inspired. I will keep pulling for my VOLS but I will be damned if I EVER accept mediocrity.
 
#197
#197
AlpineVol said:
Fulmer's Record Since 1998

Years without SEC title: 8
Years without BCS bowl: 7
Years without top 10 ranking: 5
Years without AP Top 25 ranking: 2000, 2002, 2005, *probably* 2006
Years with 3 or more losses: 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 (5 straight years and 7 out of 8 )
Years with multiple losses to unranked teams: 2003, 2005
Years with loss in last 2 games of season: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 (EIGHT straight years and counting)

4-8 (.333) vs. Spurrier: (2-3 since 1998 )
2-4 (.333) vs. Richt
1-3 (.250) vs. Tuberville
1-2 (.333) vs. Saban
0-2 (.000) vs. Meyer

9-16 (.360) 1999 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB (thank God for Zook!)
7-15 (.318 ) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB
5-14 (.263) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB excluding games vs. Zook
5-12 (.294) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, AUB
3-11 (.214) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, AUB excluding games vs. Zook
5-9 (.357) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA
3-8 (.272) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA excluding games vs. Zook
2-5 (.286) 2000 - present vs. GA
8-14 (.363) vs. Top 10 teams 1999 - present
1-6 (.142) vs. Top 10 teams at home 2000 - present
6-12 (.333) vs. Top 10 teams 2000 - present
17-19 (.472) vs. Ranked Teams 1999 - present
2-5 (.285) Bowl games since 1998 (all double digit losses)
2-7 (.222) Postseason record since 1998 including SECCG (all double digit losses)

Losses To Unranked Teams:
2006 PSU 20 TN 10
2005 Van 28 TN 24
2005 SC 16 TN 15
2004 ND 17 TN 13
2003 Clem 27 TN 14
2003 Aub 28 TN 21
2001 GA 26 TN 24
2000 LSU 38 TN 31
1999 Ark 28 TN 24

Footnote: only AP polls were used for ranking purposes
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Coming from a Fulmer fan and supporter of many years, it's time for a change...

Our record over time looks good, but when you break it down like that, it speaks for itself. The only teams we are consistantly better than are UK, Vandy, and SC, and not much there.

Thank you, that post opened my eyes a little bit. That cant be sugarcoated.
 
#199
#199
I still have to go back to the old philosophy I have about any team sport you coach and play. The head coach responsibilities are many fold and include the following: 1) teach fundamentals making sure players progress and minimize mistakes through repetitive practice; 2) instill discipline in players so that coach's and team expectations are clear and that team goals are above any individual goals; and 3) motivate players to always expect to perform at their best. Watching the Vols, I have seen the aforementioned areas as lacking. Who is to blame? According to this philosophy, it is clearly the head coach and the coaches.
 
#200
#200
coachwarren said:
He is a solid leader. Our team is constantly competitng year in and year out despite last seasons horrific record.

Does every coach succed year in and year out? No, the team is in a little flunk as of late. Is that any reason to want to fire our coach. No. Nobody wanted his head after '98, did we? Name me a program outside of USC and Ohio State who are in the top 5 every year?

Its typical nature, fire the coach, we get better. Prove it.
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Let me put you to the test, if Bill Cowher was available and willing to come to UT, would you fire Fulmer to get him?

I would in a heart beat and there are other coaches that could take this program and improve it as well over Fulmer. It's really that simple.
 
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