Why not Franklin?

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fade route said:
If we don't hire him, another big name program won't care that a few message board posters think he's a d-bag, and it will be their gain.
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Maybe. Never claimed he was a bad coach or that anyone even cares what I think.

You asked the question, I answered it.

I simply don't like the man and would prefer him not to be our coach. Urban Meyer has won multiple championships, and I wouldn't want him anywhere near this program.
 
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fade route said:
If we don't hire him, another big name program won't care that a few message board posters think he's a d-bag, and it will be their gain.
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I say more power to them. Look, it seems that you are anamored with James Franklin. That's OK, but don't expect everybody else to follow suit.
 
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It seems all I've been reading on here about J. Franklin's potential as a replacement for Dools is a bunch "No, because he's d-bag". I would simply ask where is the logic in that line of thinkng? The guy will have taken Vandy, I repeat VANDY, to back to back bowls in the toughest conference in football, can recruit the state and the region, has energy and fire, etc. So why the hate? Because he threw it right back at Dools in the post game after Dools made his moronic statement last year after the Vandy game? Get over yourselves, haters. Do you want to win or not?
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Remember, this is an internet message board, and about 60% of the people here are complete morons. The average person here has the intelligence of (or actually is) a sexless, 16 year old male.

Franklin's a great coach. If when all was said and done, he was the next coach at UT, I'd be pretty happy with that. He's not my first choice, and maybe not even my second or third choice, but to turn Vandy around like he has and make them relevant --- that's very impressive.

Steve Spurrier is a d$#%^$bag, too, and I wouldn't mind having him as our coach either. Say what you want about Spurrier, but he's ethical and runs a clean program; same deal with Franklin. Interestingly enough, Spurrier and Franklin have similar coaching backgrounds. Spurrier's claim to fame before Florida was going 5-6, 7-3-1, and 8-4 at Duke.

Most of the criticisms being lobbed at Franklin would also apply to Spurrier at Duke in 1988. Duke went 7-3-1, but only one win came against a winning team. Not saying Franklin is the "next Spurrier", but it does show how asinine these criticisms are.
 
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I don't like Franklin. I wouldn't want him as Tennessee's coach.

He's won quite a few games the last two years, but part of that is a product of the circumstances. As was already pointed out, he's beaten up on bad teams. A good coach does that, but a good coach also snags upsets. I haven't seen that so far. I think the jury's still out as to whether he's a good coach on the rise, or he's just riding a wave. He beat up on a mentally abused UT squad last weekend.

He has foot-in-his-mouth syndrome. Most of what I hear from him is when he's saying something stupid and somewhat unprecedented. The coach's wives thing is a start. He also calls out high school kids who don't pick his school. Anchor Down is as stupid a slogan as I've heard for a football team. Anchors are for holding things in place, not moving forward (minor annoyance), and don't get me started on the fog horn. I think Vanderbilt should have a classier guy.

Objectively, he may be a good coach and a good recruiter, but I'm not convinced after two OK years at Vanderbilt in a down SEC East with a very favorable SEC and OOC schedule.
 
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I don't want him because he will have us doing weird things with our fingers during games....which would end up causing mine to cramp up...which would cause me to not be able to type for my job and on VolNation.com.

Do you want your fingers looking like this?

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DiderotsGhost said:
Remember, this is an internet message board, and about 60% of the people here are complete morons. The average person here has the intelligence of (or actually is) a sexless, 16 year old male.

Franklin's a great coach. If when all was said and done, he was the next coach at UT, I'd be pretty happy with that. He's not my first choice, and maybe not even my second or third choice, but to turn Vandy around like he has and make them relevant --- that's very impressive.

Steve Spurrier is a d$#%^$bag, too, and I wouldn't mind having him as our coach either. Say what you want about Spurrier, but he's ethical and wins the right way; same deal with Franklin. Interestingly enough, Spurrier and Franklin have similar coaching backgrounds. Spurrier's claim to fame before Florida was going 5-6, 7-3-1, and 8-4 at Duke.

Most of the criticisms being lobbed at Franklin would also apply to Spurrier at Duke in 1988. Duke went 7-3-1, but only one win came against a winning team. Not saying Franklin is the "next Spurrier", but it does show how asinine these criticisms are.
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Dude, Franklin is no where near the same caliber of coach that Spurrier is. What's funny to me is that Vandy beat the worst TN team I have ever seen, and all of the sudden he is a coaching God. It looks to me like the DC for vandy is the real coaching talent. Like I said earlier in this thread, there are tons of better coaches that will be available to hire then Franklin. I personally don't even won't him considered.
 
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WriterVol said:
I don't like Franklin. I wouldn't want him as Tennessee's coach.

He's won quite a few games the last two years, but part of that is a product of the circumstances. As was already pointed out, he's beaten up on bad teams. A good coach does that, but a good coach also snags upsets. I haven't seen that so far. I think the jury's still out as to whether he's a good coach on the rise, or he's just riding a wave. He beat up on a mentally abused UT squad last weekend.

He has foot-in-his-mouth syndrome. Most of what I hear from him is when he's saying something stupid and somewhat unprecedented. The coach's wives thing is a start. He also calls out high school kids who don't pick his school. Anchor Down is as stupid a slogan as I've heard for a football team. Anchors are for holding things in place, not moving forward (minor annoyance), and don't get me started on the fog horn. I think Vanderbilt should have a classier guy.

Objectively, he may be a good coach and a good recruiter, but I'm not convinced after two OK years at Vanderbilt in a down SEC East with a very favorable SEC and OOC schedule.
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My biggest problem with Franklin is he is a dirty coach. If you remember last year, his offensive linemen were taught to clip the defensive linemen as they were chasing the play. They did it against Tennessee and were flagged. Earlier in the year, they took out two defensive linemen with the same illegal block. The SEC investigated but I do not know the results of the investigation. While I want to win as many games as possible, I want to win them with out destroying young men's knees. I will never go to a ball game that jerk coaches.
 
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He kinda reminds me of Kiffin. Pretty good coach with a natural ability to act like a douchebag.
 
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fade route said:
It seems all I've been reading on here about J. Franklin's potential as a replacement for Dools is a bunch "No, because he's d-bag". I would simply ask where is the logic in that line of thinkng? The guy will have taken Vandy, I repeat VANDY, to back to back bowls in the toughest conference in football, can recruit the state and the region, has energy and fire, etc. So why the hate? Because he threw it right back at Dools in the post game after Dools made his moronic statement last year after the Vandy game? Get over yourselves, haters. Do you want to win or not?
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The hate is mainly directed at Franklin because the Vol fans that frequent this site are getting scared that losing to Vanderbilt will become commonplace. Their fears are well warranted.
 
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AJeray4TN said:
Maybe. Never claimed he was a bad coach or that anyone even cares what I think.

You asked the question, I answered it.

I simply don't like the man and would prefer him not to be our coach. Urban Meyer has won multiple championships, and I wouldn't want him anywhere near this program.
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Petrino was a despicable person, and everyone here in Arkansas knew it and didn't care because Arky was winning. I'm not equating the two, but it's amazing what people can get used to if you're laying beatdowns on your opponents every Saturday.

All said, I get where you're coming from.
 
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mrorange211 said:
The hate is mainly directed at Franklin because the Vol fans that frequent this site are getting scared that losing to Vanderbilt will become commonplace. Their fears are well warranted.
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:lol:

gonna have to say that's not really it
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
My biggest problem with Franklin is he is a dirty coach. If you remember last year, his offensive linemen were taught to clip the defensive linemen as they were chasing the play. They did it against Tennessee and were flagged. Earlier in the year, they took out two defensive linemen with the same illegal block. The SEC investigated but I do not know the results of the investigation. While I want to win as many games as possible, I want to win them with out destroying young men's knees. I will never go to a ball game that jerk coaches.
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Excellent point. The more I think about it, the more I don't want him at UT.

And I agree, the defense easily looks like the better unit over there, and Franklin is an offensive guy. Shoop is arguably the wheel that drives that cart.

You think those students at UT he flipped the bird and cussed at would want him?
 
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fade route said:
Petrino was a despicable person, and everyone here in Arkansas knew it and didn't care because Arky was winning. I'm not equating the two, but it's amazing what people can get used to if you're laying beatdowns on your opponents every Saturday.

All said, I get where you're coming from.
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As the poster so obviously pointed out too, it's not like I would turn in my fan card if they hired Franklin. Simply stating what my vote would be.
 
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personally i think he is cheating. the commentators said vandy had like 12 4* commits for next season. i dont see how vandy could get those kinds of players without cheating. unless he is just the best recruiter ever, which i find hard to believe
 
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I agree that Franklin is a good coach who has made Vandy relevant for the first time ever. But when he flipped off the UT crowd and called us motherf***ers at the end of the game last year, we saw what a classless guy he really is. No way do I want him representing my university!
 
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Shaun1985 said:
No. Franklin is a tool. Even when I take off the "vandy sucks" glasses, i still don't like the guy. He comes off as snobby and arrogant. I don't have to have a nice guy as long as he wins ball games but I at least want to be able to stand him when he speaks. ugh to Franklin.
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Sounds like someone that coached at UT for one year.
 
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Sorry but some of us like respectable coaches with our wins. I would not be happy at all if Franklin was our coach. I wasn't happy when Kiffin was our coach.

Dooley's coaching wasn't good but he was a respectable guy. We want both, not just 1 IMO.
 
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fade route said:
It seems all I've been reading on here about J. Franklin's potential as a replacement for Dools is a bunch "No, because he's d-bag". I would simply ask where is the logic in that line of thinkng? The guy will have taken Vandy, I repeat VANDY, to back to back bowls in the toughest conference in football, can recruit the state and the region, has energy and fire, etc. So why the hate? Because he threw it right back at Dools in the post game after Dools made his moronic statement last year after the Vandy game? Get over yourselves, haters. Do you want to win or not?
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I would have no problem with a Franklin hire. He's a confident coach that has taken a perennial loser in Vandy to 2 of their best years since I have followed college football (32 years). He obviously can recruit, and his hire would slap Vandy back to their rightful place at the bottom of the SEC and give Franklin a larger engine behind him to score even better recruits. He has proved he can do a lot with a little, why not see what he can do with more tradition, better training facilities, and a better overall brand.
 
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This thread is like every other argument. The two sides polarize around their ideas. The pro guys say he's a proven winner and proven recruiter. In reality, that can only be proven after several years of evidence. It's not there yet.

The anti guys say his wins are meaningless and he's a d-bag (and maybe he cheats at recruiting). I've heard no evidence of cheating. His coaching prowess is trending toward good, but I'd say he needs more time to know for sure. I am aware that in today's climate, someone will poach him based on two years, but I'm talking outwardly that you really need more time to get an accurate judgement considering he hasn't really had any upsets.

One thing that's pretty clear is that he says brash and stupid things. Coach's wives, calling out high school recruits, and flipping off opposing fans. Two of these aren't in question, and one of them has a lot of anecdotal evidence. Add to that the dirty play of their linemen, and it's a clear history of oral stupidity and possibly ethical on top of that.
 
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