Why no Creer?

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VolSwaff said:
1. Creer looks better against "crap competition" than Foster does.

2. How overrated is getting caught from behind? Are you not tired of seeing Foster being caught from behind by defends on the opposite side of the field.... in the backfield??
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How does one get caught from behind in the backfield?
 
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Quote all the stats you want, but anyone that watched arian run sat night had to notice that he's not fast enough. I just don't see how you can argue against the need for more speed at that position. AF has great shifty moves, but cannot take the toss sweep to the house.
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I hate the 2 back system, myself. No running back is in there long enough to get a feel for the game. Yet, it all starts up front. Our offensive line can't get off the line and create anything.
 
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kptvol said:
How does one get caught from behind in the backfield?
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Im glad you asked, go watch the Florida game(1st quarter) and see Brandon Spikes get AF from the other side of the field for a 2 yard loss. It is mind numbingly horrific.
 
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VolSwaff said:
Im glad you asked, go watch the Florida game(1st quarter) and see Brandon Spikes get AF from the other side of the field for a 2 yard loss. It is mind numbingly horrific.
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Doesn't sound like a problem of speed but a problem of Arian having nowhere to go.
 
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kptvol said:
Doesn't sound like a problem of speed but a problem of Arian having nowhere to go.
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Of course it doesn't sound like that to you. I'm sure you think that it wasn't Crompton, he just didn't have anywhere to go with the ball.
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kkep48 said:
Creer is the fastest back, but being fast isn't gonna do you any good when someone hits you. Hardesty can break those tackles and keep going. The guy runs "downhill" and is the most physical back on the team.
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How do you know Creer isn't physical? He hardly ever gets to play!
 
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Business said:
I hate the 2 back system, myself. No running back is in there long enough to get a feel for the game. Yet, it all starts up front. Our offensive line can't get off the line and create anything.
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So if you have a weak o line and still need to run the ball, and Arian while basically a decent back is better running between the tackle, why would'nt you want to at least look at what a Arian at FB and Hardesty or Creer at TB do? I'm mean geez whats to lose?
 
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rexvol said:
Of course it doesn't sound like that to you. I'm sure you think that it wasn't Crompton, he just didn't have anywhere to go with the ball.
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I mean the situation just doesn't sound logical. So Arian is running with the football. Then Brandon Spikes runs past him, turns around, starts running again and catches Arian from behind? I know Arian is no track star, but do you really think a middle linebacker could do that to him?

But hey, thanks for being the authority on class.
 
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Foster hasnt played well the last couple of games. Seems like Creer and Hardesty would have earned more playing time.
 
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kptvol said:
I mean the situation just doesn't sound logical. So Arian is running with the football. Then Brandon Spikes runs past him, turns around, starts running again and catches Arian from behind? I know Arian is no track star, but do you really think a middle linebacker could do that to him?

But hey, thanks for being the authority on class.
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I think that I am completely unsurprised when a middle lb catches AF from behind. I've seen his lack of speed enough over the last 3 years. I just wonder why you don't see that it hurts the offense? If he's our best option despite his lack of speed, then so be it. I don't believe that he is and doug matthews doesn't seem to either. As for your last comment, I don't understand your insult.
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rexvol said:
I think that I am completely unsurprised when a middle lb catches AF from behind. I've seen his lack of speed enough over the last 3 years. I just wonder why you don't see that it hurts the offense? If he's our best option despite his lack of speed, then so be it. I don't believe that he is and doug matthews doesn't seem to either. As for your last comment, I don't understand your insult.
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Shocking. So you think a middle linebacker caught Arian Foster from behind in the backfield? You understand that means the LB ran behind Arian and then turned around, came back to him, and then tackled him. Foster is not that slow. If that happened, Foster was waiting behind his blockers or something. He wasn't sprinting ahead and a MLB caught him from behind.
 
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kptvol said:
I mean the situation just doesn't sound logical. So Arian is running with the football. Then Brandon Spikes runs past him, turns around, starts running again and catches Arian from behind? I know Arian is no track star, but do you really think a middle linebacker could do that to him?

But hey, thanks for being the authority on class.
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no, believe it or not, everyone's favorite pass blocker got ran down from behind for a loss by the OLB tailing the play.

sorry if the schematics don't make sense to you.
 
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VolSwaff said:
no, believe it or not, everyone's favorite pass blocker got ran down from behind for a loss by the OLB tailing the play.

sorry if the schematics don't make sense to you.
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Brandon Spikes plays in the middle. If that really occurred, Arian wasn't running full speed. I'm not saying he's fast, but you're introducing events that don't have a whole lot to do with top end speed.
 
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kptvol said:
Shocking. So you think a middle linebacker caught Arian Foster from behind in the backfield? You understand that means the LB ran behind Arian and then turned around, came back to him, and then tackled him. Foster is not that slow. If that happened, Foster was waiting behind his blockers or something. He wasn't sprinting ahead and a MLB caught him from behind.
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What I find shocking is your inability to acknoedge that arian's lack of speed hurts the offense. As far as your shot at me personally, hope you feel better about yourself.
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kptvol said:
Brandon Spikes plays in the middle. If that really occurred, Arian wasn't running full speed. I'm not saying he's fast, but you're introducing events that don't have a whole lot to do with top end speed.
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I think you've bought into the fostermom spin.
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rexvol said:
What I find shocking is your inability to acknoedge that arian's lack of speed hurts the offense. As far as your shot at me personally, hope you feel better about yourself.
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Take a look at your last few posts. I seriously hope you don't think any interaction with you is going to make anyone feel anything but worse.
 
#43
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rexvol said:
I think you've bought into the fostermom spin.
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I don't think he's fast. The situation VolSwaff is describing could only happen to a running back that is much slower than myself.
 
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rexvol said:
What I find shocking is your inability to acknoedge that arian's lack of speed hurts the offense. As far as your shot at me personally, hope you feel better about yourself.
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His speed doesn't hurt the offense as much as his 5 YPC helps it. The only thing that Foster does that hurts this team is his fumblitis. Would he be better if he had more speed? Of course. Is he still a better back than Hardesty is even without top notch speed? Absolutely. Every back on this roster has it's shortcomings.

Hardesty's lack of vision, pass blocking abillity, and recieving skills would hurt this offense much more that Foster's lack of speed.
 
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vols kick balls said:
Is he still a better back than Hardesty is even without top notch speed? Absolutely.

Hardesty's lack of vision, pass blocking abillity, and recieving skills would hurt this offense much more that Foster's lack of speed.
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1) That is not an "absolutely".

2) Serious question, who was the back pass blocking on Stephens' fumble?
 
#47
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People have a major hard-on for Hardesty because he runs hard. I love the way Hardesty runs too but his lack of vision really kills his physical talents. People would grow tiresome of him very quickly if he was getting the majority of the carries.
 
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