Why must we run the jet sweep?

#76
#76
KingtUT said:
According to the stats, of the 20 rushes Pig has had, only twice has he lost yardage. 1 rush for -1 and another for -3
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He lost 7 yards on the first play of the game vs Oklahoma. It was considered a pass evidently because Worley kinda pitched it forward to him rather than just hand it off. But make no mistake, that was the infamous Pig Sweep that should be stricken from the play book once and for all ASAP.
 
#77
#77
CarbonVol said:
Don't kill me but why do we run this play? I can remember once last year against Georgia it worked. Then it failed us in OT. We ain't fooling anyone when he goes in motion. I bet 98% of the time it's less than a 2 yard gain. Last week against Oklahoma the fake sweep got Jalen like 40 yards. But enough with the sweep.
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Nobody should "kill you" for asking the question. Rather, someone should start a petition, gather the 10,000 signatures that should take about 7 minutes to garner and hand deliver it to the President of the University so that he can decree to the athletic department that the play should never, ever be run again in the history of the program under the potential penalty of football staff salary cuts and player scholarship reductions.
 
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#78
#78
The Jet Sweep has basically turned into an entire offensive set.

If anyone watched the Seahawks demolish the Packers in Week 1 they ran Harvin in motion like 20 times. They had 5 plays or more they could run out of it and they murdered the Packers with it.

It is nearly unstoppable if you can can do it successfully 11 on 11 because that means teams have to over commit to the man in motion, in turn opening up great options on fake sweeps and trick play variations.

The problem is that you have to actually be able to run it successfully 11 on 11....

It worked for Seattle because they have Percy freakin' Harvin.
 
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newokie03 said:
I think you answered your own question. OC's run certain plays to set up other plays. The Hurd run now forces the defenses we play in the future to honor that and not sell out to the jet sweep.
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You lose 8 yards on first down to a good D and you are punting in 2 plays.
 
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CarbonVol said:
Don't kill me but why do we run this play? I can remember once last year against Georgia it worked. Then it failed us in OT. We ain't fooling anyone when he goes in motion. I bet 98% of the time it's less than a 2 yard gain. Last week against Oklahoma the fake sweep got Jalen like 40 yards. But enough with the sweep.
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Not in the killing business. :)

As you probably already know the idea is to stretch the defense and be able to get to the edge. Speed, and great blocking, is the key to springing it. With us, it develops too slow, and blocking hasn't been the best. I say keep it but redesign the cut angle, not to the edge, but off tackle. But the way we try to run it now...I'm with you. :eek:k:

GO VOLS!
 
#86
#86
This play would work if you mixed up different calls out of the same formation. I'd love to see them send Pig in motion and then fake the sweep.
One of the keys to success on read offenses is being able to run multiple plays out of same formation.
I still can't understand why they don't run action on every passing play. They wouldnt have had the pick 6 if they'd kept a TB in and faked handoff and then threw. That would be just enough to draw the attention of LB and safety.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
I have found that the jet sweep is not nearly as effective when you're playing three true freshmen together on the right side of the line--
including one who's making his first start-- all against the number three team in the country. It was more effective last year when we had more mature linemen.
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This and more experienced backs help too...and TE's and WR's to boot. AU tears people up with this and the plays it sets up. Only the QB keeper is one of those plays we dont really have.
 
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CarbonVol said:
Don't kill me but why do we run this play? I can remember once last year against Georgia it worked. Then it failed us in OT. We ain't fooling anyone when he goes in motion. I bet 98% of the time it's less than a 2 yard gain. Last week against Oklahoma the fake sweep got Jalen like 40 yards. But enough with the sweep.
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Because u touch yourself at night...
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Probably because other teams like Florida and Auburn have been doing it so well against us in recent years. If we weren't so obvious about it and mixed in a few misdirections to keep defenses honest I suspect it would work for us too.
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Other teams have variations of it with a mobile qb. We have never to my knowledge run it without the handoff to pig. Until we figure that out it needs moth balls.
 
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#90
IMO, the success of the jet sweep and our entire running game is predicated on the success of the dive play. If you can't make the defense respect that play, you can't run a jet sweep successfully. Also, Worley can't reasonably pull the ball and run on a zone read if the defense doesn't respect the dive.
 
#91
#91
We should let Worley kneel as soon as he gets the ball when running the play. It would result in the same outcome in yardage.
 
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CarbonVol said:
Don't kill me but why do we run this play? I can remember once last year against Georgia it worked. Then it failed us in OT. We ain't fooling anyone when he goes in motion. I bet 98% of the time it's less than a 2 yard gain. Last week against Oklahoma the fake sweep got Jalen like 40 yards. But enough with the sweep.
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Fulmer had the bubble screen for minus 3. Jones has the jet sweep for minus 5.

It's a tradition.
 
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Not every play is designed to score from 50 yards out.
Not every play is always successful.

Let's not forget, if Pig hangs on to the ball, the JET SWEEP probably beats UGA last year.
 
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appyvol said:
Every play isn't designed to be a huge gain. You run plays to set up those big plays. (Jalen taking the fake jet 40 yards.) If they are going to overplay/pursue the jet, we'll burn their ass off it.
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This.

The object of todays offense is not to break the D. It's to wear out the D.
 
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Wylo said:
Fulmer had the bubble screen for minus 3. Jones has the jet sweep for minus 5.

It's a tradition.
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Dooley actually began the "Pig Sweep is always a disastrous 5-8 yard loss that puts us in an unfavorable down & distance" tradition 2 years ago. Must be here to stay since it's been honored by the last 2 administrations.
 
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#97
Several good points brought up in response to this post.
1. Hurd had the big run off the jet motion in the second half. That was set up by actually running the jet sweep to Pig earlier.
2. Most teams that run a spread offense, like we are running now, have a more mobile QB. Worley is doing a good job for us this year, but he is a more pro-style QB. He does not have the speed to be an effective runner. This fact negates the read option off of the jet motion. Limits the playbook. For the same reason, the zone read play has turned into a dive play for us. With a more mobile QB, the jet motion & the zone read both become more effective plays for the offense.
3. The coaches are professional coaches. You can bet that they will look at the game film and come up with options that will work, i.e. play action off of the jet sweep. We, as the Monday Morning Quarterback Crowd, are smart enough to see the problems with this play. Trust me, the guys who make 6 figures a year are smart enough to see it too. They will adjust. After all, they did in the second half. Refer to the Hurd 40 yard run.
4. This O-line is young. They will improve throughout the season and into next season. Brick by brick, remember?
5. That was the number 4 team in the country. Their defense is number 19 in the country in total defense. In other words, that was a damn good football team we lost to. With that in mind, the scheme worked. First half was a struggle, but as the game wore on, we started having some success on offense. Up tempo offenses are designed to wear down defenses & take advantage of the mental & physical mistakes resulting from the fatigue.


Now, let me clarify something I said earlier. Worley is not the most mobile of QBs. That does not mean we need to bench him for a more mobile QB. He does too many other things right. He was not recruited to play in an up-tempo, spread offense like Coach Jones runs.
 
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crolader said:
With that in mind, the scheme worked. First half was a struggle, but as the game wore on, we started having some success on offense. Up tempo offenses are designed to wear down defenses & take advantage of the mental & physical mistakes resulting from the fatigue.
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This sums up how I see our offense. I see a lot of "set up" plays. We're going to run some things at you. Maybe run a similar look again. Then when we really need it, show you that look again and BOOM! The only thing between us and the goal post is the back judge.
 
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#99
#99
It is a slow play developing, but it also takes execution to work. It has not been executed well since Georgia last year. We have 4 defensive players on the ball carrier and 5 blockers looking at the pile scratching their heads.
 
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KBVol said:
Dooley actually began the "Pig Sweep is always a disastrous 5-8 yard loss that puts us in an unfavorable down & distance" tradition 2 years ago. Must be here to stay since it's been honored by the last 2 administrations.
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Always a 5-8 yard loss?
Time to backtrack
 
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