Why is there such a quarrel with Christianity today?

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Vol8188 said:
This is now the third time I've posted this. Yet for some reason people are still arguing about why people don't like Christians, this is why.

Many Christians aren't the live and let live type. They tend to look down on non Christians. Many in here would freak out if an atheist were teaching their children math. Many in here wouldn't consider an atheist for promotions or even hire one.

My quarrel with Christianity is that they want to dictate morality through legislation and judge others for being non Christian.
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So, you're just basically admitting that you guys stereotype and paint everyone in said group based on what some do. How very progressive of you. #ChristianLivesMatter
 
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Vol8188 said:
I wasn't forced out. I decided to leave because I was uncomfortable. You're just making **** up as you go. But yes atheist are 100% treated different in any work environment
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Depends on where you live. Tennessee, it happens. Utah, it happens. Arizona, not at all.
 
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volprof said:
Perhaps so. I don't understand what is the point of actually reforming your life and doing what God commands if salvation is merely grace, but that's just my heathen opinion.
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The point is multifold. Liberation from sin nature, thus the ability to change by God's grace and power... Freedom from the destructive effects of sinning... A new love for others, thus a desire to treat them as we would be treated. But more than anything, a healthy, loving response to grace. Just because you love God and want to please Him.

Are you saying that you only make coffee for your wife so she won't divorce you? Or just because you love her and know she likes coffee?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
The point is multifold. Liberation from sin nature, thus the ability to change by God's grace and power... Freedom from the destructive effects of sinning... A new love for others, thus a desire to treat them as we would be treated. But more than anything, a healthy, loving response to grace. Just because you love God and want to please Him.

Are you saying that you only make coffee for your wife so she won't divorce you? Or just because you love her and know she likes coffee?
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Yep. Why would someone want to fulfill their potential? That's crazy talk.
 
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To change the subject back to something mentioned earlier i this thread. I found this article interesting. A self-described "New Atheist", "anti-theist", whatever...

I believe that theism is dangerous, superstitious and bad for the contemporary world. I'm an antitheist.
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Antitheism, which I prefer to the contested "New Atheism," is where the similarity between Richard Dawkins and atheists like me end. Dawkins has walked a particularly dark path from mostly reasonable critique of religion into narcissistic anti-religious extremism that flirts with outright racism. When Dawkins decries Muslims, one can't help but wonder where the line between this revered scientist and Donald Trump lies. Both are punching down at an already-oppressed minority in our culture, and both are ignoring the great problems facing our world by boiling those problems down into easily accessible cartoon villains to be run out of town.
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I'm Finally Breaking Up With Richard Dawkins

Say what? You're anti-theist. You hate religion. You're against Christians. You think "theism is dangerous, superstitious and bad for the contemporary world". But you're breaking up with Dawkins, and he's turned down a dark road because... He's talking bad about Muslims?

I got news for you. Muslims are theists. They're a religion. They're part of that blight on humanity that you're against. But one better not persecute them because they're "downtrodden"?

And I thought it funny that he talks down Christians, poses theism in such a simple, cartoonish way, yet takes Dawkins to task for doing the same thing.

When atheism and socialism collide, I guess...
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Just seems odd that someone that shortens the life of others, thus preventing them from them from even making an adult decision regarding their everlasting should soul should be given the same benefit that he deprived them of. Odd rule from a God that loves all his children and all.
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That same God gave those people every second of their life to choose an eternity of nothing but bliss. All they had to do was accept it. Maybe that's not loving enough for you, but considering he sacrificed his son so that said people can be afforded such opportunity, I'm pretty convinced that he does indeed love all his children.

It seems what you want is for everyone to have the exact same amount of time to find Jesus. Surely you see the flaws in this. For one, God would have to guarantee a certain lifespan to all people for that. Two, the absolute chaos that would happen when people realized they "missed their window" would be awful.
 
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Roustabout said:
I just said grace is not a license to sin. Thanks for ignoring that. Sin has very real temporal consequences and judgment for the believer. Nothing can change the eternal security of a believer. However, sin can certainly damage the believer's walk.

The devil and his angels are not offered salvation.
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Ok just so we're clear, a believer can murder, rape, be a child molester but since they're 'saved' they'll still go to heaven? But me, someone who has never and will never do any of those things will go to hell.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
That same God gave those people every second of their life to choose an eternity of nothing but bliss. All they had to do was accept it. Maybe that's not loving enough for you, but considering he sacrificed his son so that said people can be afforded such opportunity, I'm pretty convinced that he does indeed love all his children.

It seems what you want is for everyone to have the exact same amount of time to find Jesus. Surely you see the flaws in this. For one, God would have to guarantee a certain lifespan to all people for that. Two, the absolute chaos that would happen when people realized they "missed their window" would be awful.
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Again, he killed a 15 year old in the most brutal way possible. Just assume she lived with atheist parents. At 15 she really may not know enough about Christianity to convert. Therefore, she burns in hell while the man that raped and brutally murdered her gets the opportunity to repent and accept Jesus Christ as his lord and savior ascend in to heaven?

I find that to be an incredibly f'd up resolution. If that is your God, I want no part.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Again, he killed a 15 year old in the most brutal way possible. Just assume she lived with atheist parents. At 15 she really may not know enough about Christianity to convert. Therefore, she burns in hell while the man that raped and brutally murdered her gets the opportunity to repent and accept Jesus Christ as his lord and savior ascend in to heaven?

I find that to be an incredibly f'd up resolution. If that is your God, I want no part.
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It really takes a special type of devotion to believe all that and at the same time believe said deity is loving and just. Talk about blinded by the light.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Again, he killed a 15 year old in the most brutal way possible. Just assume she lived with atheist parents. At 15 she really may not know enough about Christianity to convert. Therefore, she burns in hell while the man that raped and brutally murdered her gets the opportunity to repent and accept Jesus Christ as his lord and savior ascend in to heaven?

I find that to be an incredibly f'd up resolution. If that is your God, I want no part.
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Well you will definitely have the opportunity to air your grievances to God at judgment day.

Also, using your scenario, there is no way to know if the girl went to heaven or hell. As nobody here on Earth has the mental acuity to truly understand God and his decisions.

Just a question, do you blame God for a lot of evil things on Earth?
 
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MercyPercy said:
It really takes a special type of devotion to believe all that and at the same time believe said deity is loving and just. Talk about blinded by the light.
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From a Christian theological perspective, your post makes no sense. I'll leave you to ponder that.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Well you will definitely have the opportunity to air your grievances to God at judgment day.

Also, using your scenario, there is no way to know if the girl went to heaven or hell. As nobody here on Earth has the mental acuity to truly understand God and his decisions.

Just a question, do you blame God for a lot of evil things on Earth?
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That's very interesting. When it's a very realistic scenario that you yourself cannot rationalize, it's "god works in mysterious ways, there's no way to know." The rest of the time you guys seems pretty sure about what gets you into heaven or hell.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Again, he killed a 15 year old in the most brutal way possible. Just assume she lived with atheist parents. At 15 she really may not know enough about Christianity to convert. Therefore, she burns in hell while the man that raped and brutally murdered her gets the opportunity to repent and accept Jesus Christ as his lord and savior ascend in to heaven?

I find that to be an incredibly f'd up resolution. If that is your God, I want no part.
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You'll get "God works in mysterious ways" for this question. I've posed similar ones myself, and can't believe that this scenario could possibly happen or has happened.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Well you will definitely have the opportunity to air your grievances to God at judgment day.

Also, using your scenario, there is no way to know if the girl went to heaven or hell. As nobody here on Earth has the mental acuity to truly understand God and his decisions.

Just a question, do you blame God for a lot of evil things on Earth?
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I didn't blame god for the evil deed. I said that based upon the bible the young lady goes to hell while bundy gets to heaven.

My scenario stated that the girl was raised an atheist and was only 15 years old at the time she was murdered and had not yet accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. based upon that she goes to hell correct?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I didn't blame god for the evil deed. I said that based upon the bible the young lady goes to hell while bundy gets to heaven.

My scenario stated that the girl was raised an atheist and was only 15 years old at the time she was murdered and had not yet accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. based upon that she goes to hell correct?
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So the scenario is that the girl was raised to deny God's very existence and she fully agrees with this stance? Not only that, but vehemently defends her stance?
 
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G0 BIG 0RANGE said:
You'll get "God works in mysterious ways" for this question. I've posed similar ones myself, and can't believe that this scenario could possibly happen or has happened.
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God said he will confound the wise. Humans always seem to fear what they cannot understand.
 
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Roustabout said:
A believer has the potentiality to be guided by the spirit. A believer can quench the spirit, grieve the spirit, sin (even into death), and even the elect can be decieved. All scriptural truth.

Are you truly pleasing God in ALL you do? And, are you truly grieved at your shortcomings?

If yes, the are you willing to put that to a simple test?
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1no. I fall short all the time.

2.no...but I do have conviction when I sin..and try to always do better.

3.no need..I am a sinner no doubt. Only by his grace and mercy am I not in hell right now.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So the scenario is that the girl was raised to deny God's very existence and she fully agrees with this stance? Not only that, but vehemently defends her stance?
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Just because she's an atheist doesn't mean she vehemently defends the non-existence of a God. Most atheists I know don't even think about it, they just go about life (unless a juicy thread like this pops up). I'm an atheist, but if presented with evidence of a God, I'd believe. She may have just grown up in a non-religious family, wasn't presented with Christianity as a plausible ideology, then was murdered at the age of 15. Is she held accountable by God for this while the murderer gets an opportunity at salvation?

Seems merciless if yes. Saying it's beyond human understanding is a cop out, in my opinion.
 
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