Why is everyone saying we're saving scholarships?

#51
#51
Technically, yes. You just have to do something with number 26 and up. Some must enroll early or greyshirt.
 
#55
#55
hatvol96 said:
Yes. Who was one of the first schools to really utilize midterm enrollment to their advantage? USC. I'm trying to remember where two of the main architects of that strategy are now. Heard they were working together again. Anyone have ny idea who their employer is?
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Its a gamble and identifying them is hard depending on that states guidelines for graduating.

Thats not to say it can't be done, but the limit per year is 25.
 
#57
#57
ok - i think i understand now.

we can sign 20 right now, and then we would have the potential of signing 5 of the 2010 class if they enrolled early along with 25 more.
 
#59
#59
The reason everyone says you can save scholarships is because, even though you are limited to 25 per year, you can't acually give out 25 every year because of the 85 total cap on scholarships. So by giving less than 25 in one year ensures you can reach the 25 max in future years.
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#61
#61
We have 3 players enrolled now counting against last year's class. At this point, that would give us room to count about ten players against this year's class next year. We will easily sign 30+ next year.
 
#62
#62
This may help some....

Over-signing.
Grey-shirting.
They aren't words that are regularly used outside of recruiting. Most people have no idea what they actually mean.
The two go hand in hand, and are quickly becoming a very important aspect of college football recruiting.
Here are a couple quick definitions:
Over-signing: The practice of signing more than the NCAA allotted 25 recruits in a particular class.
Grey-shirting: A player that commits to a team and then pays his own way through school for a semester to preserve his eligibility.
With each passing year, more and more teams over-sign prospects. The reason for over-signing varies from team to team, but the fact remains that it is becoming more common place.
In 2006, 33 teams signed more than their allotment of 25 prospects. In 2007, the number of teams that over-signed jumped to 39. In 2008, 30 teams over-signed. Even before National Signing Day, 14 teams have more than 25 commits, and the number will only grow over the next two weeks.
If you aren't familiar with over-signing now, you will be over the next several years.
Over-signing:
Football teams are only permitted to enroll 25 scholarship athletes per calendar year and can only have 85 scholarship players on their team at any given time. This doesn't stop teams from signing more than their allotment of players.
Teams over-sign for a variety of reasons. Some players will not qualify academically and will never step foot onto campus. Some coaches were not able to sign 25 prospects the year before and are trying to make up for it. Other schools are trying to add depth to their teams in years where there is a large number of quality recruits.

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  1. A team must sign less than its allotment of 25 scholarship players the year before.
  2. Extra players must enroll in December, prior to National Signing Day, and be on campus for the Spring semester.
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  1. Any team that exceeds the maximum 25 scholarships, must have additional players grey shirt.
Over-signing allows teams to build depth. It also allows schools to prepare for potential academic casualties. It is a practice that has been around, particularly in Southern schools, for years. It will not be going away any time soon.
These additional players do indirectly affect a team's recruiting class ranking. While not all players are counted toward the ranking, the weaker prospects are hidden by the stronger ones. This can give an inaccurate representation of the overall quality of a class.
Even teams that are not oversigned encourage players to enroll early if their are scholarships available.
Not only does it give those players the opportunity to get a head start on the system, conditioning, college experience, but any player that enrolls in December will not count towards a teams 25 annual scholarships. Technically, scholarships for early entries belong to the previous year's class.
This allows teams to get a maximum on how many players they can over-sign the next year.
Grey-shirting:
While most people are familiar with the phrase "red-shirt" most people have no idea what a grey-shirt is. In fact, the NCAA does not even acknowledge the term. In a way, grey-shirting is like the U.S. Army's Delta Force&#8212;everyone knows it's their, but the governing body doesn't acknowledge it's existance.
Here is how grey-shirting works:

  1. A player commits to a team that is over-signed.
  2. That player either doesn't go to school in the fall, or enrolls part-time and pays their own way. They are not officially on the team.
  3. In January of the following year, that player enrolls full-time and officially joins the team. They are technically part of the recruiting class for the following year.
Grey-shirting is a way for schools to skate around the recruiting rules. It allows schools to over-sign, regardless of how many prospects they signed the previous year.
Every player has a five year window to play four seasons. That window starts the second a player is enrolled in college full-time or are on scholarship. Since the player is not enrolled full time and is not on scholarship, their "NCAA clock" has not started.
Once they join a team, they still have the full five year window and the ability to red-shirt if they so choose.
While grey-shirting, players are not on the team.
They can not practice or condition with the team. They can not be given any advantage not extended to the normal student body. Grey-shirts are not allowed at team meetings or functions either. For all intents they are essentially, regular students.
Conclusion:
These are important things to consider as far as a team's future is concerned. Large classes can sway the rankings, but they may be able to create additional, unplanned depth. When looking at your favorite team's recruiting class ranking, it is important to factor these things in.
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#63
#63
chavisut said:
We have 3 players enrolled now counting against last year's class. At this point, that would give us room to count about ten players against this year's class next year. We will easily sign 30+ next year.
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Look you can only sign 25 current year prospects. To sign 30+ next year we would have to sign either 5 mid termers or JUCO xfers. Thats the only way.
 
#65
#65
FLSTF-VOL said:
Look you can only sign 25 current year prospects. To sign 30+ next year we would have to sign either 5 mid termers or JUCO xfers. Thats the only way.
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Did you read the entire post? I completely understand all of this.
 
#66
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Look you can only sign 25 current year prospects. To sign 30+ next year we would have to sign either 5 mid termers or JUCO xfers. Thats the only way.
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Or the extras could greyshirt. Freak and a couple of this had this conversation the other day. It's really quite simple.

85 Max schollies PERIOD
25 signees per year, BUT if you don't fill your allotment of 25, you can sign additional prospects the following year, provided they enroll early, but only up to the maximum of 25 signees for the previous signing period. (Not counting any early enrollees that count against the previous class.) Any additional players that exceed the 25 limit from the year before count against the current class.

So when you oversign with few early enrollees, it's because you aren't expecting them all to qualify. For example, over half of Ole Miss' class this year has grade problems. They know they aren't going to go over 25.



Also I just heard that Jacques Smith is likely an early enrollee next year. We will fill our allotment of early enrollees and like Hat said, at least one will be a QB.
 
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#67
#67
The way I figure it with the earlies this year and our current class we have 35 scollies till early enrollies this next winter that will be GREAT. MONSTER class next year. We should after 19 and 17 class years. Mississippi signed more this year than we had in 2 year, also while I am typing according to avg stars we are about 8 this year, not bad at all. :good!:
 
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