Why is Antifa tolerated? Because they're left wing?

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Vol737 said:
Problem is Antifa is becoming increasingly more violent in their approach. At some point push will come to shove and the gloves come off. Can’t get prosecutors to level serious prison time as it is for all the felony assaults Antifa is piling up.
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so we can't get one part of the government to do its job, and instead of fixing that one problem, we are going to create another problem while ignoring the first?
 
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LouderVol said:
and my point is that the general public never comes out better when the government has the ability to give itself more power to enforce whatever it wants.

the constitution is a limit on the government, and they need to be reminded of that.
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They always need to be reminded of that, no matter who is in power. The federal government has been too big, too bloated, too powerful, and too expensive for about a hundred years now.
 
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LouderVol said:
so we can't get one part of the government to do its job, and instead of fixing that one problem, we are going to create another problem while ignoring the first?
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No, I would much prefer prosecutors and judges not be swayed by their preferred political compass, do their job and enforce the laws and stiff sentences accordingly in these matters. What’s the solution if they show a continued trend of not doing so?
 
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Vol737 said:
No, I would much prefer prosecutors and judges not be swayed by their preferred political compass, do their job and enforce the laws and stiff sentences accordingly in these matters. What’s the solution if they show a continued trend of not doing so?
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fix it somehow, some way.

change the laws requiring punishments.

maybe put a limit on how long they can hold the position, or more restrictions on who is eligible. maybe tie them keeping their jobs to the overall performance. I have no idea what that metric actually looks like.

or go all LG on them, and hold the prosecutors responsible for the crime of others.

remember the victims largely vote for this, with a lot of the problem in the system either being directly voted for, or those who appoint them are directly voted for. at some point you have to stop trying to fix it, and respect the votes. otherwise just give up on the idea of voting as a viable option in government like I have. until such time, they have the right to be wrong.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Yeah, it's not going to get better no matter which party is in control.
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yes, but that doesn't mean we should accept one side doing bad crap because the other side does bad crap.

you are partially responsible for who you vote for, and what they do. especially if you continue to support them. and considering how long the parties have been acting against our best interest, you are responsible for continuing to support parties that have a clearly demonstrated history of not being what you claim to vote for.
 
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LouderVol said:
fix it somehow, some way.

change the laws requiring punishments.

maybe put a limit on how long they can hold the position, or more restrictions on who is eligible. maybe tie them keeping their jobs to the overall performance. I have no idea what that metric actually looks like.

or go all LG on them, and hold the prosecutors responsible for the crime of others.

remember the victims largely vote for this, with a lot of the problem in the system either being directly voted for, or those who appoint them are directly voted for. at some point you have to stop trying to fix it, and respect the votes. otherwise just give up on the idea of voting as a viable option in government like I have. until such time, they have the right to be wrong.
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My point is that’s exactly how the gloves eventually come off….when nothing changes and there’s no effort to seriously protect the public from a group like Antifa via our legal/court system. It’s the default option whether we like it or not. Then we get Trump sending in the National Guard.
 
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Vol737 said:
My point is that’s exactly how the gloves eventually come off….when nothing changes and there’s no effort to seriously protect the public from a group like Antifa via our legal/court system. It’s the default option whether we like it or not. Then we get Trump sending in the National Guard.
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when the public who needs protecting are the ones voting for the mess you are never going to fix it.

the national guard aren't going to fix the underlying problem. they are only going to create new problems. larger problems. more violent problems.

the national guard is not a reasonable response to what the AG or local prosecutors are doing. it doesn't make sense.

send in federal prosecutors if the locals aren't doing their job. that would at least make conceptual sense. still a violation of states rights, but at least its oranges to oranges.
 
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LouderVol said:
when the public who needs protecting are the ones voting for the mess you are never going to fix it.

the national guard aren't going to fix the underlying problem. they are only going to create new problems. larger problems. more violent problems.

the national guard is not a reasonable response to what the AG or local prosecutors are doing. it doesn't make sense.

send in federal prosecutors if the locals aren't doing their job. that would at least make conceptual sense. still a violation of states rights, but at least its oranges to oranges.
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Understand all that and I think you and I come from the same place wrt frustration in dealing with this. Not saying it’s right, but just pointing out the natural consequence of what happens when things hit a tipping point.
 
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Vol737 said:
Understand all that and I think you and I come from the same place wrt frustration in dealing with this. Not saying it’s right, but just pointing out the natural consequence of what happens when things hit a tipping point.
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and the reaction can cause an even worse tipping point.

the national guard shooting up the public isn't going to popular with most people in America. regardless of them being in Chicago or their thoughts on crime. Whoever is behind turning a city into a literal war zone is going to face a much different reaction than the gradual decline that created the mess.
 
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generally not a fan of this use of the NG but to backup 737's point - maybe a short term intervention will yield enough short term results that citizens will see what's possible if L&O is upheld and take action to solve the prosecution problem.

NG is certainly not a long term solution.
 
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volinbham said:
generally not a fan of this use of the NG but to backup 737's point - maybe a short term intervention will yield enough short term results that citizens will see what's possible if L&O is upheld and take action to solve the prosecution problem.

NG is certainly not a long term solution.
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I think that in a lot of these cities the people are so brain washed that it would backfire and the typical L&O citizen will be out rioting.
 
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volinbham said:
generally not a fan of this use of the NG but to backup 737's point - maybe a short term intervention will yield enough short term results that citizens will see what's possible if L&O is upheld and take action to solve the prosecution problem.

NG is certainly not a long term solution.
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And I’m not advocating the use of the NG as a first or second response. I’m just saying these are the likely responses by either Trump or some other president/governor down the road when they feel nothing else is working. The tipping point comes when it appears the likes of Antifa or other group has escalated the violence to the point where any and all leaders and law enforcement afraid to face them with their hands tied behind their backs. The natural human response at some point will be to take the gloves off if that means protecting the majority.
 
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Vol737 said:
My point is that’s exactly how the gloves eventually come off….when nothing changes and there’s no effort to seriously protect the public from a group like Antifa via our legal/court system. It’s the default option whether we like it or not. Then we get Trump sending in the National Guard.
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Agreed. These judges are lifetime appointments. Antifa normally creates their chaos in OR/WA where the 9th Circuit reigns with their lunatic judges.
 
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