Why Hart has no option.

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VolBeef88 said:
Yes, my agenda is very clear. I want UT to be a powerhouse again. I want what's best for UT. And my loyalty is to UT not the current head coach.
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And like I said, you may be completely right. I've just personally never seen you post on a subject that didn't turn to you wanting Dooley gone. Your posts are always articulate and I'm sure you're a bright person. I'm just saying that I think people would pay more attention to what you say if you didn't beat the same dead horse. It's just my :twocents:
 
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VolBeef88 said:
He has got to fire Dooley. Not only for the good of the programs financial situation with loss of ticket sales and donations we will face. But can you imagine how ugly it's going to be in the off season and then after we go get our teeth kicked in (yet again by a good team) by Oregon? The fan outcry we see now will pale in comparrison.
Hart really has no choice and he has already made it, just hasn't announced it.
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You have made it abundantly clear you don't like CDD. :horse: Guess you have a crystal ball or some very bad "inside" information. No one likes losing.
 
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vol4life03 said:
To be honest If we don't get Gruden , strong , Patterson or Peterson at Boise state id rather just keep Dooley. because I don't want smart or any other assistant coach and those are the only guys we look to maybe have a chance at getting? Unless stoops wants to come or maybe tressel?
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What has Strong really done? Barely beat a Cinncy team that we beat like a drum and they had much better talent when we beat them. Also who wants Tressel, cheated at both schools where he was HC and still could not beat a SEC team.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
And like I said, you may be completely right. I've just personally never seen you post on a subject that didn't turn to you wanting Dooley gone. Your posts are always articulate and I'm sure you're a bright person. I'm just saying that I think people would pay more attention to what you say if you didn't beat the same dead horse. It's just my :twocents:
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Hiring him (or any coach) was the wrong move. Hiring a guy who had a proven record of failure was worse. And I as well as many others on here said we'd give him a chance. And in year one we did. But it was very clear to many of us DD was in way over his head. Every time we discussed the games and was critical we were attacked. So I have no problem if some don't like what I post. No offense meant.
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utvolkyle06 said:
What has Strong really done? Barely beat a Cinncy team that we beat like a drum and they had much better talent when we beat them. Also who wants Tressel, cheated at both schools where he was HC and still could not beat a SEC team.
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Strong and Tressel would both be upgrades over what we have now. So would Cut. So would Dave Doeren the coach at Northern Illinois. I definitely agree with Beef on that note. People are crazy if they think that an upgrade can't be found.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Strong and Tressel would both be upgrades over what we have now. So would Cut. So would Dave Doeren the coach at Northern Illinois.
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There are quite a few coaches that would be an upgrade. We're about to find out what Hart is made of.
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sonofUT62 said:
Strong and Tressel would both be upgrades over what we have now. So would Cut. So would Dave Doeren the coach at Northern Illinois. I definitely agree with Beef on that note. People are crazy if they think that an upgrade can't be found.
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There is a difference in a possible marginal improvement and a world class big conference HC. If we can't get a "Big Fish" then why bother. None of the ones mentioned that would come here are big Fish. Yea Duke had a great game last Saturday. Cut, is a great guy and great QB coach, but he had Eli at ole' Miss and still could not keep his job. Anyone from N. Ill. is they same as La. Tech not big neame or resume.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
He has got to fire Dooley. Not only for the good of the programs financial situation with loss of ticket sales and donations we will face. But can you imagine how ugly it's going to be in the off season and then after we go get our teeth kicked in (yet again by a good team) by Oregon? The fan outcry we see now will pale in comparrison.
Hart really has no choice and he has already made it, just hasn't announced it.
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You were OK until you went into your crystal ball routine again. Any time two teams take the field there is always the remote possibility that the outcome will not be as expected.

Hart does have a choice. In my opinion and yours his less risky option is letting Dooley go and spending the money to bring in a top tier coach. On the other side, he can go all in on the belief that Dooley is just about to turn the corner. In the first case, his choice has to win but it is his choice and likely a coach with a better resume. If the second then he had better be right because if he makes the call to keep Dooley then he goes with him if it doesn't work.

You have given me a bad time thinking I was blind to Dooley. I never have been. I just believed that you go through the whole process before deciding it had failed. From the beginning, I thought the odds were against Dooley but that there had to be a standard nonetheless that required him to do something significant this year.
 
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There are great coach candidates. I do not thing Tressel nor Petrino are what UT needs. I seriously doubt Tressel could recruit in the SEC. Petrino is unstable which is definitely not what UT needs.
 
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sjt18 said:
You were OK until you went into your crystal ball routine again. Any time two teams take the field there is always the remote possibility that the outcome will not be as expected.

Hart does have a choice. In my opinion and yours his less risky option is letting Dooley go and spending the money to bring in a top tier coach. On the other side, he can go all in on the belief that Dooley is just about to turn the corner. In the first case, his choice has to win but it is his choice and likely a coach with a better resume. If the second then he had better be right because if he makes the call to keep Dooley then he goes with him if it doesn't work.

You have given me a bad time thinking I was blind to Dooley. I never have been. I just believed that you go through the whole process before deciding it had failed. From the beginning, I thought the odds were against Dooley but that there had to be a standard nonetheless that required him to do something significant this year.
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What? We all look into our "crystal ball". Hell the Dooley defenders do that as much if not more than the rest of us. How many times have we seen y'all post how well he will do in 2012 and now 2013?
But yes you are correct, if 2 teams take the field either "could" win technically. We heard that about Alabama too but the realists on this site knew better.
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Majorvol23 said:
Does everyone think a coaching change will lead to a win against Oregon next year? What about at Bama & at Florida?
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No to Oregon and Bama, and not necessarily at UF.

That's the biggest part of this puzzle I'm struggling with. I know that great coaches come with a hefty price tag, but what they don't come with is a guarantee of wins. (And don't feed me that :bs: about "anything is better than what we've got now. That's a cop-out weak-arse answer.)
 
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supersmo18 said:
No to Oregon and Bama, and not necessarily at UF.

That's the biggest part of this puzzle I'm struggling with. I know that great coaches come with a hefty price tag, but what they don't come with is a guarantee of wins. (And don't feed me that :bs: about "anything is better than what we've got now. That's a cop-out weak-arse answer.)
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It's called stopping the bleeding.
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utvolkyle06 said:
There is a difference in a possible marginal improvement and a world class big conference HC. If we can't get a "Big Fish" then why bother. None of the ones mentioned that would come here are big Fish. Yea Duke had a great game last Saturday. Cut, is a great guy and great QB coach, but he had Eli at ole' Miss and still could not keep his job. Anyone from N. Ill. is they same as La. Tech not big neame or resume.
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He was previously Wisconsins DC. He has had success everywhere he's gone including a 1-AA championship as a coordinator. I would have to go back and look but I'm pretty sure he won the conference (MAC?) last year in his first year as the head coach. He's no Dooley. Ole Miss hasn't won 10 games since Cut left, and Duke is bowl eligible for the first time in EIGHTEEN years. Sounds pretty good to me. I think it's pretty ridiculous to judge Cut's coaching ability against a FSU team that has literally twice the talent he does.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
"Look at me! Look at me!"

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:eek:lol: Truth.

I love how he consistently alienates people with his nicknames, i.e. "Dooley Defenders," "Boot Polisher," and one in the fairly distant past that got overused, "Chin Slurpers"

He's entertaining to say the least. It's fun just to keep him on ignore; that way, his posts stick out like a sore thumb and when he gets worked up like a junior high girl, it's funny.
 
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DC Vol said:
Dooley's hair/pants/colloquialisms >>>>>>>> results as HFC

I say we also fire Holly Warlick. Bring in Paula Deen! Who cares if she can coach or not... she can talk about recipes and make it all totally worth it.

With Dooley and Deen we'd have the best sayings, analogies and peach cobbler between the Appalachians and the Mississippi.
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don't forget legal attorney
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Strong and Tressel would both be upgrades over what we have now. So would Cut. So would Dave Doeren the coach at Northern Illinois. I definitely agree with Beef on that note. People are crazy if they think that an upgrade can't be found.
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Pretty sure Tressel can't coach for a while.
 
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supersmo18 said:
:eek:lol: Truth.

I love how he consistently alienates people with his nicknames, i.e. "Dooley Defenders," "Boot Polisher," and one in the fairly distant past that got overused, "Chin Slurpers"

He's entertaining to say the least. It's fun just to keep him on ignore; that way, his posts stick out like a sore thumb and when he gets worked up like a junior high girl, it's funny.
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He is definitely entertaining. I live how serious he takes himself.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
It's not his fault. It's the fans, the students, the asst coaches, the former coaches, the media, VN etc. Anything but his fault.
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"Thank you may I have another!" Gluttons for punishment.
 
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