Why Hart has no option.

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Majorvol23 said:
Does everyone think a coaching change will lead to a win against Oregon next year? What about at Bama & at Florida?
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Not necessarily. But it could very well lead us in a new direction to get this program back to relevance.

If you were a vandy fan, would you have thought that hiring James Franklin would result in a bowl appearance his first season considering the pitiful results on the field the previous year? Hell no.

Did anybody think Bruce Pearl would be able to do what he did in his first year, considering he had basically the same roster that Buzz had the previous year? Hell no.

My point is this - if you hire right guy, results in the W column can come sooner rather than later. Nobody's expecting us to beat Bama, but we have enough talent and depth to win AT LEAST a few games against the upper half of the SEC.

All the stats point to the fact that CDD doesn't have what it takes to turn this ship around. He's had adequate time to prove it.

It's time to turn the page.
 
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Just a little patience...ah...ah....I've been walking the streets at night...just trying to get it right...hard to see with so many around...you know I don't like getting stuck in the ground...
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Neyland holds 102,000. If it is only filled with say 72,000 fans per game then do the math:

30,000 empty seats X $49 per ticket = $1,470,000 per game X 7 home games = $10,290,000 not including concession sales my man.

Yeah a few 1,000 tickets make a massive difference.
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They will not be anywhere near 30,000 empty seats at a home game.......

If it comes down too it, there well be 103,000 Bama or Florida fans in our stands to fill it out.

Ticket sales have nothing to do with it, the stands are going to be filled on big games if were 12-0 or 0-12.

There are just as many florida and Bama fans in the state of Tennessee as they are Tennessee fans.

(I agree Dooley isnt a good SEC coach, and should be fired. But Ticket sales have nothing to do with it.)
 
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VolBeef88 said:
That's not the question. The question is that after 3 years we're still getting drilled by good teams so should we stop the bleeding or not?
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Looks more like a question no one wants to address ... If we can get Gruden, I'm all for it, but who ever the coach is next year is gonna lose to Oregon, Bama, & Florida, and the same devastated people will be calling for his head ...

Plus, only people with an agenda think we're getting drilled the same way we were last year.
 
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Majorvol23 said:
Looks more like a question no one wants to address ... If we can get Gruden, I'm all for it, but who ever the coach is next year is gonna lose to Oregon, Bama, & Florida, and the same devastated people will be calling for his head ...

Plus, only people with an agenda think we're getting drilled the same way we were last year.
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0-5 is 0-5. Nobody is going to call for Gruden's head next year. Mostly because his team would be full of SEC football players by year two....on both sides of the ball.
 
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It's the same $#%t from the same $#%t posters thread after thread after thread.

You don't KNOW that Hart has made any decisions regarding Dooley's future. That's just wishful thinking on your part.

But I sure am glad you started ANOTHER thread so it can't be discussed AGAIN.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
To fire Dooley and hes asst. this year is going to cost 10 million, then to hire a new coach and asst. Its going to cost another 5 mil atleast......I Dont think a few 1,000 ticket sales are going to make a dent in that.

Face it, if dooley wins out, and wins his bowl game.

He will be our 2013 coach.
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Honestly do you really think money is the issue. Haslam can buy out the hole staff and never miss a penny. The really issue is getting the rite coaching staff. We need a head coach which can recruit and coach and win in the toughs league in the country. How many coaches have that kind of ability. Very few. I am sure Hart is looking but it is a tough individual to find. Background investigations, what kind of character does he have, how long will he stay, etc. That’s why Hart get the big money or the boot.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Neyland holds 102,000. If it is only filled with say 72,000 fans per game then do the math:

30,000 empty seats X $49 per ticket = $1,470,000 per game X 7 home games = $10,290,000 not including concession sales my man.

Yeah a few 1,000 tickets make a massive difference.
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This is the best point you can make.

Having a Crappy program and letting it continue to be crappy will cost us millions, not including the TV deals, (or lack there of, in our case) the Merchandise sales, food sales on the strip, alcohol sales, taxes, etc....

It becomes staggering when you start to add up EVERYTHING. Over $10,000,000 and that's only taking account for lost revenue for seats.

I don't know what the answer is, but i do know this: We cannot afford to continue to be a Ole Miss, Vandy of the SEC, or else we will stay that way and never recover.

My biggest fear....we become KY....have you ever talked to a KY football fan....they say things like, yep we're gonna lose again this week, or man we will get killed in that game...., I think we (fans) are beginning to think and say things like this. Its haunting how quickly you can become complacent with losing, and defeat and be ok with it.

Just think there is a generation of young vol fans that have never seen us play for an SEC championship, and even more that have never seen us win one...... We as a fanbase begin to accept that we aren't good anymore and POOF magically we are .500 and sub .500 every year.....just like kentucky football..... we can't become that, but right now we slowly are.......:search:
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
omg... Oregon will hang 70 on us.
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Won't happen this Defense will be a complete 360 from this year...Its the 1st year in a new scheme having another year to prep it plus the guys that BIG Sal is recruiting already know the 3-4. I really can't wait til next year. I said it at the begining of this year that it would be tough for the D but next year IS the year it all comes together.... CDD has done great things at UT! Some things he has done don't have records to show! I am a VOL fan and i support this COACH Staff and teamtil the end. CDD wants to be here no matter the mess it was in he saw the challenge and accepted true VFL....with alot more class than half the so called fans on here.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
That's right DC. It's everyone's fault except Dooley. Remember he wears Orange pants and has cool whimsical sayings at press conferences. So it can't be his fault.
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Dooley's hair/pants/colloquialisms >>>>>>>> results as HFC

I say we also fire Holly Warlick. Bring in Paula Deen! Who cares if she can coach or not... she can talk about recipes and make it all totally worth it.

With Dooley and Deen we'd have the best sayings, analogies and peach cobbler between the Appalachians and the Mississippi.
 
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Miavol said:
Honestly do you really think money is the issue. Haslam can buy out the hole staff and never miss a penny. The really issue is getting the rite coaching staff. We need a head coach which can recruit and coach and win in the toughs league in the country. How many coaches have that kind of ability. Very few. I am sure Hart is looking but it is a tough individual to find. Background investigations, what kind of character does he have, how long will he stay, etc. That’s why Hart get the big money or the boot.
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Yeah George Bush said money isnt a issue too, look where were at now.....
 
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VolBeef88 said:
He has got to fire Dooley. Not only for the good of the programs financial situation with loss of ticket sales and donations we will face. But can you imagine how ugly it's going to be in the off season and then after we go get our teeth kicked in (yet again by a good team) by Oregon? The fan outcry we see now will pale in comparrison.
Hart really has no choice and he has already made it, just hasn't announced it.
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If they keep Dooley he will be a lame duck coach going into next season.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
To fire Dooley and hes asst. this year is going to cost 10 million, then to hire a new coach and asst. Its going to cost another 5 mil atleast......I Dont think a few 1,000 ticket sales are going to make a dent in that.

Face it, if dooley wins out, and wins his bowl game.

He will be our 2013 coach.
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Hiring Dooley was just to plug a hole left by Kiffin bolting at a very bad time. Got a shot at a top tier coach and it's going to happen. Tennessee has historical traditions as a top football program and should have a top 5 coach.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
He has got to fire Dooley. Not only for the good of the programs financial situation with loss of ticket sales and donations we will face. But can you imagine how ugly it's going to be in the off season and then after we go get our teeth kicked in (yet again by a good team) by Oregon? The fan outcry we see now will pale in comparrison.
Hart really has no choice and he has already made it, just hasn't announced it.
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Fan apathy has already set in (in case no one has noticed) and even with a possible third-tier bowl and win, the recruiting will suffer, the hot seat will remain and apathy will continue to grow.

Economically, we can't afford to keep Dooley.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
They will not be anywhere near 30,000 empty seats at a home game.......

If it comes down too it, there well be 103,000 Bama or Florida fans in our stands to fill it out.

Ticket sales have nothing to do with it, the stands are going to be filled on big games if were 12-0 or 0-12.

There are just as many florida and Bama fans in the state of Tennessee as they are Tennessee fans.

(I agree Dooley isnt a good SEC coach, and should be fired. But Ticket sales have nothing to do with it.)
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When the team does well all games break 100,000. That's the point. Besides, sitting in Neyland with so many bammers this year was about as sad a site as I've ever seen as a Vol fan.
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DelawareVolfan said:
I think it is time to make a change as well, but is there a clear upgrade available that is willing to take the job?
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There may be a clear upgrade and there may not. I don't think it matters for Hart. Things must improve or he will be on the hot seat. Hart safest bet is to make a change this year or another 0- for ? SEC start next year will a negative on not just Dooley but Hart as well.

On the other hand, if Hart picks a new coach, expectations won't be as high next year (because of first year change & so forth ). However, the new coach will need to produce some substantial improvement eventually or Hart will be on the hot seat with the new coach on 3-4 years.

Ironically, Fulmer's record his last four and SECCG appearance would be an improvement over the last four years. Point there is our goal of "winning championships" may be reset to playing for championships as it were before Kiffin.

But maybe Gruden does take the job; whips the cr@p out of Saban; and UT becomes dominant for a time. I didn't buy the Gruden rumors at first but I have heard so much... it could be...I'm hoping so. But even if not, there are other upgrades.

In sum, Hart needs to make decision (probably already has privately) and it needs to be the right move. he will be held accountable. Sounds tough, but he is well paid.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
They will not be anywhere near 30,000 empty seats at a home game.......

If it comes down too it, there well be 103,000 Bama or Florida fans in our stands to fill it out.

Ticket sales have nothing to do with it, the stands are going to be filled on big games if were 12-0 or 0-12.

There are just as many florida and Bama fans in the state of Tennessee as they are Tennessee fans.

(I agree Dooley isnt a good SEC coach, and should be fired. But Ticket sales have nothing to do with it.)
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This is not true. I remember in 1988 the stadium wasn't half full for LSU. If the program continues "as is" apathy will be felt in every game and rivalries will lose there importance. For example I have not been to Lexington for a football game in decades. Also look at Vanderbilt ticket sales. They weren't demanding "donations" for season tickets like UT. Rather they have to get creative to sell tickets.

Wins are the life blood of a college football program. Losing SEC records will not get the job done at UT. We have an extremely large stadium that has to be fed and wins is what sells the tickets.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
When the team does well all games break 100,000. That's the point. Besides, sitting in Neyland with so many bammers this year was about as sad a site as I've ever seen as a Vol fan.
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This thread is impossible to take seriously because everyone knows what your agenda is. You might be completely right, but you've been such a blowhard about it for two years that everyone knows you're incapable of being objective.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
He has got to fire Dooley. Not only for the good of the programs financial situation with loss of ticket sales and donations we will face. But can you imagine how ugly it's going to be in the off season and then after we go get our teeth kicked in (yet again by a good team) by Oregon? The fan outcry we see now will pale in comparrison.
Hart really has no choice and he has already made it, just hasn't announced it.
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There are over 50 threads to post this in. Just sayin.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
This thread is impossible to take seriously because everyone knows what your agenda is. You might be completely right, but you've been such a blowhard about it for two years that everyone knows you're incapable of being objective.
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Yes, my agenda is very clear. I want UT to be a powerhouse again. I want what's best for UT. And my loyalty is to UT not the current head coach.
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