Why does it matter if we fire him now?

[ThreatLevelVol]

If we fire him now then i just moght not have a heart attack before 30

 

[CAVPUT]

Do we really think that keeping a coach who has been fired effective at the end of the year is putting all his time into game planning for the next game? There is a reason that firings are “effective immediately” due to usual quality of work after termination.

Currie isn't a stupid man. Why tell a coach he's fired effective at the end of the season? Makes no sense. Might as well just fire him that minute and name the interim and be done with it.

 

[utvolz98]

And how do you know this? Are you implying the team isn't going to play for Butch but would ball for one of the assistants? I've not seen "quit" from this team. They simply aren't very good, but I'm not seeing a lack of effort.

So, the top recruiting classes were a farce? I think the only joke is the one leading the coaching. I know, on good word, there are players that don’t want to see Butch return.

 

[pcolavol2]

I don't think it matters,honestly. If the administration is not planning on having him back next year, I cant imagine they don't already have a list and are engaging in conversation with those who might be interested. This is just common sense. I'm upset just like everyone else but I gotta hold out hope that getting the right guy is more important.

 

[Volswagg1017]

Hope freak reply to most answers

 

[UTCorey]

How about to give the people what they want? I don't think anyone in the vol fan base wants to see this poor product Butch is trotting out on the field. If you fire him maybe we can watch the game with hopes of winning instead of just hopes of scoring a touchdown.

 

[landscapingvol]

Also, it would make me not want to drink which is very beneficial for my liver. So it's a win/win for UT and potential cirrhosis

 

[rdk4121]

It's really just the early signing period. Allow our current commits to get used to our next head coach so we don't lose out entirely on the December signing period.

 

[cncchris33]

In your opinion, why is it imperative that we fire Butch immediately (during the season) as opposed to the end of the year? In other words, what does Tennessee gain in that scenario?

Let's just say I'm curious for research purposes.

Discuss.

Because if the decision to fire him has been made, we stand to gain nothing by keeping him. At this point, he is far more likely to undo any good he has done in his 5 years than he is to do anything substantial enough to change his fate.

 

[landscapingvol]

Currie isn't a stupid man. Why tell a coach he's fired effective at the end of the season? Makes no sense. Might as well just fire him that minute and name the interim and be done with it.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that notion

 

[barney]

It looks like UF is chasing after Memphis' head coach. Bad hire imo

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Not for this kind of butthurt.. it's the kind that makes a piece of your soul die. And comes with bad PTSD. I'll cringe for the rest of my life every time I hear the word "great" or "individual."

Show some resiliency and more eye discipline.

 

[Freak]

Freak, what about my assertion that everyone in the AD is slightly more intelligent than a half eaten ham sandwich? I will hang up and listen.

I think that's a different argument. lol.

The acceptance of failure is more embarrassing than the failure itself.

So you think letting Jones coach a few more games rather than an assistant, that's accepting failure?

You cannot hire for a position that is not vacant.

See the posts above. I don't believe Jones finishing the season limits Tennessee from reaching out and discussing the job with other candidates or their representatives.

 

[ATLVols]

At this point, the key is that we actually fire him and get a great coach.

Butch will handle things with class if he coaches until the end. I’m not sure our team would play much better for any of our current coaches.

Florida firing their coach is unfortunate that we will be looking at the same time. Unless we’ve already hired our next coach...soon?

 

[TNnative]

You cannot hire for a position that is not vacant.

No,but you can take resumes for future openings. With high profile coaching positions, it is difficult to do because media guys have people watching airports and private airplane hangers, but it could be done.

You just have to be smart about it.

 

[Vercingetorix]

For one, it gives recruits a definitive yes no answer on if we are keeping Butch. It also allows other recruits Butch didn’t pursue to rethink Tennessee once new coach has been named.

Frankly, it matters because with Butch we aren’t getting to 6-6. With an interim we will.

Effort isn't the problem. The team is still playing hard; they just aren't good. An interim isn't going to be able to change that.

I want Butch fired tonight as much as the next guy, but I will cheerfully admit that that's an emotional opinion based mostly on me wanting him out of my life as quickly as possible. Currie has a lot more things to think about. He was here in 2008 when we fired a coach in-season and lost to Wyoming later in the week.

 

[lilesrt]

You don't think Tennessee is working on a replacement already? What limitations do we have, whether he's still here or not?

You think recruiting improves with a vacant head coaching position?

I get what you are asking, but in all fairness there is alot skepticism with regard to the UTAD’s reactive stance when it comes to coaching hires.

To suggest that this isn’t a concern is false. If we absolutely knew John Currie had a short list of quality replacements he was working on, keeping Butch Jones for the next few games would not be a big deal to most of us. What most of us fear is that John Currie is getting sucked into this aweful mess of the “perfect timing” situation, ultimately losing focus on the importance of the matter, which is finding the best coach possible. Being REACTIVE instead of PROACTIVE is a huge issue at Tennessee, and timing is huge when it comes to making the right hire.

As a whole, Tennessee ADs of the past have been slow, reactive, and just plain poor when it comes to evaluating and hiring coaches across all sports in the program. It has been down right bad over the past 10 years.

 

[CoaxialOrange]

Okay, I'll bite. How does firing Butch now affect the early signing period? Are you saying that recruits who committed to THIS STAFF, are more likely to sign during the early period if THIS STAFF is fired? Pleas explain.

No if you start losing guys that are going to be part of that signing period you need as much time for the new coach to build that relationship. In a perfect world we would fire CBJ and the next day hire the new coach. But this is Tennessee and we will drag this out. Dooley was fired 2nd to last weekend of the season. We hired Butch something like December 7th or 8th. I believe early signing period is around mid-December? That doesn't leave a lot of time. And maybe the coach you hire want to recruit a different type of EE than our staff. IMO doesn't leave you a lot of time.

 

[CAVPUT]

You cannot hire for a position that is not vacant.

Perhaps not formally, but you can agree in principle. Ink it after Butch is gone. Of course, I would be a little leery of a sitting coach who would be doing this during the season. Maybe it's naive on my part and this happens all the time...at least with agents, but I still am not comfortable with it.

 

[m1al]

Fair enough. But assuming they are serious.....

All I can say is prove it. Before you totally lose the fan base and crap ton of money due to empty seats, fire Butch. It's not like he doesn't deserve it and it just might give people the impression you give a crap about UT and you're doing your job....

 

[volnpowell]

I'm pretty sure recruits are already in a wait and see status or they'd be gone already.

This.



Good answer. Maybe the best I've read.

Exactly.


Why can't the plan be to let him finish the season and fire him? Hence the thread: what do we gain from firing him now?

I thought job had to be "open", for applicants and have to interview at least one minority coach?

 

[Freak]

It's really just the early signing period. Allow our current commits to get used to our next head coach so we don't lose out entirely on the December signing period.

Again, I fail to see how this is an issue.

Most coaches are still coaching. No one could take over right now anyway. Anyone still coaching probably won't have any serious discussions until the season is over, but you could move quickly at that point, if you choose to.

If you're targeting someone who isn't currently employed. It's still not going to be announced until after the last game.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

I will say that hiring the right guy is far more important than how you get rid of the wrong guy.

Maybe that's what's driving things up on the Hill right now. If so, I'm okay with it.

Go Vols.

 

[dd4vols]

In your opinion, why is it imperative that we fire Butch immediately (during the season) as opposed to the end of the year? In other words, what does Tennessee gain in that scenario?

Let's just say I'm curious for research purposes.

Discuss.

Well, it saves me a bunch of $$$ if we don't fire him now. I live in West Tennessee, been a 4 season ticket holder since the mid 80s. My drive is 5 hours both way....coming in on Friday, leaving on Sunday. And I am not coming back if he is the head coach...i have 5 years of information that convinces me that I don't want to spend any more of my money on watching Butch Jones futch up my Vols games. I can't even stand his press conferences any more. I am just one person...but I can guarantee there are others that feel just exactly like I do. And if Davenport and Currie can't see the discontent, then we are seriously in a world of hurt on Rocky Top.

Firing him now gives me...and that is all as a FANATIC that we want...HOPE.

 

[GAVol]

Effort isn't the problem. The team is still playing hard; they just aren't good. An interim isn't going to be able to change that.

I want Butch fired tonight as much as the next guy, but I will cheerfully admit that that's an emotional opinion based mostly on me wanting him out of my life as quickly as possible. Currie has a lot more things to think about. He was here in 2008 when we fired a coach in-season and lost to Wyoming later in the week.

agreed. At this point, we're 30 days from the end of the season. People will lose their minds, but I don't see that it matters that much as long as they're working on the replacement and are ready to name him quickly.