Why does it matter if we fire him now?

[CountVolcula]

Early Signing Period is one

Shows admin is dedicated to winning

Relieves fan apathy that has set in

Gives fans hope because right now, there is none to speak of. We know what we are under Butch and thats a terribly coached and managed team. Middle of the road at best, bottom of the east at worst. Rinse...repeat.

 

[SmokyRiverDog]

So you think it gives us a better chance to win more games down the stretch with an assistant coach at the helm?

I think the Dr Pepper guy would be better than Butch at this point.

 

[VFLinFL]

I think the NEW EARLY SIGNING PERIOD may have a monumental impact on the future for our football program with the negativity surrounding CBJ and a possible coaching change that could make or break us devastatingly.

 

[FranklinVFL]

1. If the statement comes in a few weeks, is the message any different?
2. So you don't believe the search is already in process?
3. How? A new hire wouldn't be announced during the season.

For a new hire to be beneficial, have to receive the same exception tOSU got with Urban Meyer to recruit

 

[Vercingetorix]

The head start UF just got on us for a better replacement. Recruiting, and cause he don't deserve to coach this team. Sanity

Texas fired Charlie Strong and named his replacement 12 hours later. LSU fired their coach far earlier, tried to get the same guy, and still couldn't land him. Not sure it means anything that Butch hasn't been formally fired yet from that standpoint.

 

[m1al]

He's playing a dangerous game here holding onto Butch and continuing to damage the UTAD and the football program. Is it worth what little bit of money they're saving?

Please someone tell me it's not just that and he has a plan here.

 

[CAVPUT]

Early signing period

Okay, I'll bite. How does firing Butch now affect the early signing period? Are you saying that recruits who committed to THIS STAFF, are more likely to sign during the early period if THIS STAFF is fired? Pleas explain.

 

[Freak]

I do pretty sure some players dont like Butch

lol. Pretty sure? Based on what?

Early signing period

You think the timing of Butch's firing impacts the timing of the new hire?

I think it would stop people from decommiting at the least seeing as how nobody wants to play for him it seems

Not having a coach would keep people from decomittin?

I do not look at this year. I take the rest of this season as gone. Forgone conclusion to what will likely be the worst record in the history of UT Football.

I see an in-season termination and naming head coach as a means to:

1. Get a new coach time to rebuild relationships with what was an incredible recruiting class.

2. Give the new coach an opportunity to take advantage of the early decision process in December.

So, I don’t think you do it now to save this season, but instead to build back the recruiting class for the next year.

You think the timing of Butch's firing impacts the timing of the new hire?

Definitely recruiting now more than ever. The class has already been leaking our best prospects since the season started. Also this is the first year with the early enrollee period if I recall correctly. Wait too long and some prospects won't flat out be available.

You think the timing of Butch's firing impacts the timing of the new hire?

 

[peyton4heisman]

1. If the statement comes in a few weeks, is the message any different?
2. So you don't believe the search is already in process?
3. How? A new hire wouldn't be announced during the season.

1.) yes. Depending on what happens between now and then it could potentially say "we won't accept 8 losses" vs "we won't accept 5"
2.) considering CBJ is still the HFC of Tennessee right this very moment, it wouldn't surprise me if Curry is sitting on his hands
3.)recruits will get the message now that our AD is committed to fixing this and in a few weeks they might already be committed to another school.

 

[Chilmonty]

So you think we get a better replacement if we fire Butch sooner? Why?

So your saying Wait until best coaches are gone? Why?



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[landscapingvol]

It doesn't we will still have the same drooling imbeciles running the AD and the University.

 

[Jim]

In your opinion, why is it imperative that we fire Butch immediately (during the season) as opposed to the end of the year? In other words, what does Tennessee gain in that scenario?

Let's just say I'm curious for research purposes.

Discuss.

The quicker butch is fired, the quicker he is no longer the coach.

 

[Freak]

Might put the recruits in a wait and see status, as opposed to just fleeing the shinking ship. Would also calm the fan base down a little, imo.

I'm pretty sure recruits are already in a wait and see status or they'd be gone already.

I didn't know that coaching searches can't begin until after the firing.

This.

For me it's because until he's fired I'm not convinced we are firing him.

Good answer. Maybe the best I've read.

Texas fired Charlie Strong and named his replacement 12 hours later. LSU fired their coach far earlier, tried to get the same guy, and still couldn't land him. Not sure it means anything that Butch hasn't been formally fired yet from that standpoint.

Exactly.

He's playing a dangerous game here holding onto Butch and continuing to damage the UTAD and the football program. Is it worth what little bit of money they're saving?

Please someone tell me it's not just that and he has a plan here.

Why can't the plan be to let him finish the season and fire him? Hence the thread: what do we gain from firing him now?

 

[FranklinVFL]

lol. Pretty sure? Based on what?



You think the timing of Butch's firing impacts the timing of the new hire?



Not having a coach would keep people from decomittin?



You think the timing of Butch's firing impacts the timing of the new hire?



You think the timing of Butch's firing impacts the timing of the new hire?

Yeah. We are not going to hire a guy for a position that is already filled. If we were stupid enough to have an MOA or contract signed while Butch is still the coach, Butch would have one heck of a Labor lawsuit vs UTK.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Freak trolls like a champ.

 

[Vol4ever]

There is a lot of the fan base more than upset right now. If Butch coaches Saturday night it will get ugly in Neyland. Makes the AD look pretty inept at this point.

One thing waiting does say, its more thank likely Gruden and Kelly are not the pick to replace Butch.

 

[JMSqb11]

In your opinion, why is it imperative that we fire Butch immediately (during the season) as opposed to the end of the year? In other words, what does Tennessee gain in that scenario?

Let's just say I'm curious for research purposes.

Discuss.

For one, it gives recruits a definitive yes no answer on if we are keeping Butch. It also allows other recruits Butch didn’t pursue to rethink Tennessee once new coach has been named.

Frankly, it matters because with Butch we aren’t getting to 6-6. With an interim we will.

 

[Freak]

1.) yes. Depending on what happens between now and then it could potentially say "we won't accept 8 losses" vs "we won't accept 5"
2.) considering CBJ is still the HFC of Tennessee right this very moment, it wouldn't surprise me if Curry is sitting on his hands
3.)recruits will get the message now that our AD is committed to fixing this and in a few weeks they might already be committed to another school.

1. So you think Tennessee has a better chance of winning with an assistant coach in charge?\
2. There's no evidence of that. He may already be fired effective at the end of the year.
3. Unlikely a few weeks matters. Also, they could still decommit from that school.

So your saying Wait until best coaches are gone? Why?



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I don't believe Butch coaching out the season means the coaching search can't start. And I'm not suggesting we wait, I'm just asking what advantages we gain from firing him now.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Yeah. We are not going to hire a guy for a position that is already filled. If we were stupid enough to have an MOA or contract signed while Butch is still the coach, Butch would have one heck of a Labor lawsuit vs UTK.

There's nothing in Butch's contract that doesn't allow searching and hiring a replacement. The new hire can start out as a consultant.

 

[CAVPUT]

The early signing period complicates things for sure

Why? With uncertainty, the recruits who may have been planning to sign early simply wait for the regular signing day so they know who the new coach is and get a chance to meet and speak with him. It's as if the early signing period doesn't exist. Kids are not bound to declare in December. Just don't see this as being an issue. Maybe the players hate all the visits and attention from coaches so much that they just have to sign in December to end the madnes early?

 

[FranklinVFL]

I'm pretty sure recruits are already in a wait and see status.

Some have fully decommitted. They are making decisions.

Also, the environment is not healthy inside the football program and the recruits will see that as well and run.

So yeah, quick action to start fixing now.

 

[OrangeInKy]

So you think it gives us a better chance to win more games down the stretch with an assistant coach at the helm?

I do. The interim and other staff may get to spread their wings more, also show what they can do for UT or other potential jobs. Gets the long lingering distractions out of the way and a renewed focus. Good for the players in many respects, and as many have said, would let commits and recruits know that change is on the way. Remember, Von Bell would not play for Dooley, so in cases like that, players and high school coaches who influence players who can't stand the HC, could be more open to take another look. Yes, the new guy isn't going to be hired yet (but certainly could be sooner depending on who it is) but let's say it is Gruden or at least that continues to get headlines. Perhaps players who had written UT off, decommitted, etc would be intrigued and talk to current staff, and players to keep an open mind. So much more to lose by keeping him longer than letting him go, imo.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Some have fully decommitted. They are making decisions.

Also, the environment is not healthy inside the football program and the recruits will see that as well and run.

So yeah, quick action to start fixing now.

Knee jerks are good.

 

[peyton4heisman]

1. So you think Tennessee has a better chance of winning with an assistant coach in charge?\
2. There's no evidence of that. He may already be fired effective at the end of the year.
3. Unlikely a few weeks matters. Also, they could still decommit from that school.


I don't believe Butch coaching out the season means the coaching search can't start.

Freak, I am an emotionally beaten Vol at the moment. You might make the more logical argument, but it will never be enough to overturn the butthurt Butch has made me feel and therefore has little-to-no influence on my stance.. perhaps I'm not the best one from which to obtain a sound argument. I just want him gone and gone now because I feel like I let him walk my dog and he let it get hit by a car

 

[m1al]

Why can't the plan be to let him finish the season and fire him? Hence the thread: what do we gain from firing him now?

Honestly I believe there is no plan.

I have said and continue to believe the UT admin (AA/AD) are not serious about fielding a championship caliber program (in any sport) and NOTHING they are currently doing is remotely close to changing my mind. At this point I'm not sure firing Butch would begin to change my mind but it would be a good start.