Why do UT softball players keep disappearing?

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Right now regardless of the transfers that have occurred thus far the team looks far stronger next season. I think were adding some very good hitters and certainly our pitching situation will be the best it has been in the last couple seasons.
 
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Or maybe even Thorn Hill, it's possible.

governmentmule said:
a short person that lives under a bridge in San Diego


you did ask :loco:



sorry you did leave a cheap shot open on your question,I try to usually pass em up these days,but I couldn't resist :)

I did learn the hard way in the Navy,when a Chief Petty Officer ask you,Do i look that damn stupid

the correct answer isn't yes :)
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Kat Dotson a walk-on? She must've have been the greatest walk-on player ever in the history of softball. One-time All-American, multiple All-SEC, had a stellar -4-year career. Even at a place like Tennessee, it's hard to believe. No wonder Haley Tobler had no shot. Dotson must have gotten some other means to stay with the program, i.e. academic scholarship, and I'm glad she's still with the team as a team manager. Saw her a few times this pat yr, and she looked happy.

volcrazy89 said:
Walk-ons staying all four years in any sport at any school is very rare. Jennifer Burroughs, Hannah Trainer, Morgan Fowler, Megan Givens, Andi Williamson and Leah Taylor are all examples of walk-ons that left the team. Some stayed at UT, others, like Williamson and Taylor, went to other schools and did well. Andi had a great career at Marshall and is actually in the NPF now.

The only two walk-ons I can actually ever recall staying at UT all four years were Caitlyn Ryan and Holly Baker. Deerpark may be able to answer this better, but I believe Whitney Hammond and Kat Dotson were also walk-ons.
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I thought it was a nice gesture by the Weeklys to have Anna Renfroe on the team w/ Ivy and Ellen. They had the time of their lives together, and I'm sure the '13 WCWS when all three siblings were on the team together meant extra something to them. When they are all out in the society as productive citizens, they will look back on that time spent at UT together, and fondly remember the struggles, triumphs -- the memories shared together at the Rocky Top and treasure them for the rest of their lives. I'm happy for them.
 
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Kat was never in the press release for the recruits in her class (Ivy, Raven, Gibson and Melissa Brown). Tyically if a player comes in and isn't in the press release ... that means they aren't getting athletic aid. There was one very good player that wasn't on scholarship at UT during her time there, and I always assumed it was Kat but I was never able to find out anything for sure.

AFAIK Kat was a gifted student and also came from a rather wealthy family.
 
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Terra said:
I didn't see any poster "claim" it was Ralph or the coaches in this situation...
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It's been hinted at multiple times if not outright stated. Recognize any of this? If you want to pretend this isn't insinuating it's the coaches, then, well, you're pretending.

"...Re Annie... Friend passing away is the public reason being offered for her transfer... easier for the fan base to accept than being unhappy with staff..."

"...Being called stupid, telling players they don't matter, and made to leave the dugout to sit in the stands during a game in uniform are what I call abusive. Its a purposeful attempt to degrade a person personally and there's more..."

"This smells....Sorry folks but there is more to this. Also more to Akamine transfer(remember how UT stated she wanted to pursue beauty school?), Tobler transfer, Lewis concussions...then graduates and comes back. Watching the Supers last year I actually thought Koenig was going to kick a coaches ass. Kids disappearing during the season. Nearly 100% of these players have a high GPA, stable homes, very social, and obviously very talented. So what's the problem?? Its a bit of a mess, good luck. It's too bad, the fans in Tennessee are great and you deserve better..."

"...There is a long paper trail of how Ralph and Karen treat their players. And they have had a ton of transfers over the years -- more than just about any program..."
 
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actually a large part of it may be full rides for scholarships,hopefully the NCAA will look at this and allow the softball teams to be able to carry more full scholarships
 
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Yes I recognize it. Some of those are from me. And some of the ones from me are fact (stupid, telling players they don't matter, etc.). Others from me are questions, and the questions were based on history. The others from other posters appear to be able to be documented. And if you question the poster he probably can validate that. BUT...warning, you may not like what you hear. Then again you may not care. I think it may be the latter.

LVJeff said:
It's been hinted at multiple times if not outright stated. Recognize any of this? If you want to pretend this isn't insinuating it's the coaches, then, well, you're pretending.

"...Re Annie... Friend passing away is the public reason being offered for her transfer... easier for the fan base to accept than being unhappy with staff..."

"...Being called stupid, telling players they don't matter, and made to leave the dugout to sit in the stands during a game in uniform are what I call abusive. Its a purposeful attempt to degrade a person personally and there's more..."

"This smells....Sorry folks but there is more to this. Also more to Akamine transfer(remember how UT stated she wanted to pursue beauty school?), Tobler transfer, Lewis concussions...then graduates and comes back. Watching the Supers last year I actually thought Koenig was going to kick a coaches ass. Kids disappearing during the season. Nearly 100% of these players have a high GPA, stable homes, very social, and obviously very talented. So what's the problem?? Its a bit of a mess, good luck. It's too bad, the fans in Tennessee are great and you deserve better..."

"...There is a long paper trail of how Ralph and Karen treat their players. And they have had a ton of transfers over the years -- more than just about any program..."
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Terra said:
Yes I recognize it. Some of those are from me. And some of the ones from me are fact (stupid, telling players they don't matter, etc.). Others from me are questions, and the questions were based on history. The others from other posters appear to be able to be documented. And if you question the poster he probably can validate that. BUT...warning, you may not like what you hear. Then again you may not care. I think it may be the latter.
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That's all from you. We care about our team. We care about our players. We don't care for posters claiming facts with nothing backing it.
 
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governmentmule said:
actually a large part of it may be full rides for scholarships,hopefully the NCAA will look at this and allow the softball teams to be able to carry more full scholarships
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True about the NCAA adding more scholarships - the sport has become very popular and ESPN has proven that
 
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Terra said:
Yes I recognize it. Some of those are from me. And some of the ones from me are fact (stupid, telling players they don't matter, etc.). Others from me are questions, and the questions were based on history. The others from other posters appear to be able to be documented. And if you question the poster he probably can validate that. BUT...warning, you may not like what you hear. Then again you may not care. I think it may be the latter.
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Does this mean you retract your statement that you didn't see anybody claim it was because of the coaches?

For the rest of the board: Terra is a fan of PAC-12 softball, is located in California, claims that the Tennessee softball coaching staff mistreats players, and insinuates that the fertile California recruiting grounds will dry up for UT. It's called an agenda, and Terra has one, and it's to scare off potential recruits or parents who may visit or read this board by making statements such as "...for all you parents out there contemplating a softball career...I am not sure how much longer California will be a pool of players for Tennessee..."

Give it a rest.
 
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By order of the court (and LVJeff), I do not retract my statement of what I observed. I however have no claim of what others have said or observed, just like you. I can not control what others say. Nor can I control what you say about me. I will stage however! as for your statement of I am a Pac12 fan. That's not entirely true. I like college softball, and baseball.

LVJeff said:
Does this mean you retract your statement that you didn't see anybody claim it was because of the coaches?

For the rest of the board: Terra is a fan of PAC-12 softball, is located in California, claims that the Tennessee softball coaching staff mistreats players, and insinuates that the fertile California recruiting grounds will dry up for UT. It's called an agenda, and Terra has one, and it's to scare off potential recruits or parents who may visit or read this board by making statements such as "...for all you parents out there contemplating a softball career...I am not sure how much longer California will be a pool of players for Tennessee..."

Give it a rest.
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LVJeff said:
It's been hinted at multiple times if not outright stated. Recognize any of this? If you want to pretend this isn't insinuating it's the coaches, then, well, you're pretending.

"...Re Annie... Friend passing away is the public reason being offered for her transfer... easier for the fan base to accept than being unhappy with staff..."

"...Being called stupid, telling players they don't matter, and made to leave the dugout to sit in the stands during a game in uniform are what I call abusive. Its a purposeful attempt to degrade a person personally and there's more..."

"This smells....Sorry folks but there is more to this. Also more to Akamine transfer(remember how UT stated she wanted to pursue beauty school?), Tobler transfer, Lewis concussions...then graduates and comes back. Watching the Supers last year I actually thought Koenig was going to kick a coaches ass. Kids disappearing during the season. Nearly 100% of these players have a high GPA, stable homes, very social, and obviously very talented. So what's the problem?? Its a bit of a mess, good luck. It's too bad, the fans in Tennessee are great and you deserve better..."

"...There is a long paper trail of how Ralph and Karen treat their players. And they have had a ton of transfers over the years -- more than just about any program..."
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Get your facts straight. That last quote is mine and I never said that was why Annie left. Every player that transfers doesn't leave for the same reason.

Annie is not the only player leaving. There are at least five other players looking into leaving as well, one of them is pretty certainly not coming back.
 
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rocktopper16 said:
We don't care for posters claiming facts with nothing backing it.
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That's the thing, though. Multiple people have told you the same thing ... and you still don't believe them. I guess we're all lying? If that's what you think, you're obviously in denial. Nobody here has reason to lie about anything. Get out of the big orange bubble. Most of this stuff that's been said here is COMMON KNOWLEDGE in the softball community. Do a little research and you'll see.

As for "backing it", what the sam hell do you want? Video evidence of it happening? A sworn, notarized statement from players? I'm amazed at how ungrateful people on this board are when information is voluntarily passed along to them.
 
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Not coming back = Koenig? Five other players looking into leaving? Geer, McSwain, McClain included? Could you care to elaborate?

volcrazy89 said:
Get your facts straight. That last quote is mine and I never said that was why Annie left. Every player that transfers doesn't leave for the same reason.

Annie is not the only player leaving. There are at least five other players looking into leaving as well, one of them is pretty certainly not coming back.
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2Alum4EverVol said:
Not coming back = Koenig? Five other players looking into leaving? Geer, McSwain, McClain included? Could you care to elaborate?
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With all due respect, if I wanted to elaborate I would've done it to begin with. Outside of Koenig the rest are mainly bench players and I was told that nothing is set in stone. So I'm not naming anyone else. (Not Geer, though. Not from what I was told by two people.)

Most of it probably stems from playing time, but like always, we never truly know why players leave. There's two sides to every story and the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. Bringing in 12 players while losing two will make players leave. Leaving over playing time certainly isn't a new thing, but I think scholarship money plays into it as well. That being said, anytime you have a mass exodus of players ... it's not good. At the VERY least it looks bad from the ouside looking in. And when you have good hitters leaving ... it also hurts your chances at winning.

I still don't know why the heck our coaches are bringing in 12 players. Simple math says there isn't enough money to go around for everyone. I'll be surprised if half the class makes it all four years, and probably at least a third of the class will leave after their first year when they barely play. There's more talent and, to be frank, better players coming in behind them. Flat out, there is nowhere to put many of the players they are recruiting.
 
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Wow... I had no idea that my simple question could turn into arguments, many of which are repeats from the Annoe Aldrete thread. Sorry, guys. Can anyone tell me how to delete a post? I've looked through the Guidelines and didn't find any directions to do so.
 
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The moderator should delete this thread, and Terra should get lost--a troll who is not a UT fan and simply wants to stir up s&it.
 
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peachstatevolgirl said:
Wow... I had no idea that my simple question could turn into arguments, many of which are repeats from the Annoe Aldrete thread. Sorry, guys. Can anyone tell me how to delete a post? I've looked through the Guidelines and didn't find any directions to do so.
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look at the bottom of the page,there is a contact us link,use that ,just copy the url,paste it and tell them what you think is wrong


but there is no reason to delete this post, it happens a lot on Tennessee Vols Football, Vols Basketball, and Lady Vols :)

i assume nobody has hurt feelings?so don't worry about it,as you probably have noticed,when a good thread gets started,there is all ways,a lot of heated debate,which is what makes this forum interesting

if you think something is way out of line,report that,the mods want to know,especially personal attacks,I personally don't see nothing out of the normal for this feisty debate forum

and if somebody feels they are being attacked , and it is way beyond accepted behavior,use the contact link and report it

I for one thought it was a very good question and needed to be asked,it is a very solid thread
 
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