Why do UT softball players keep disappearing?

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governmentmule said:
look at the bottom of the page,there is a contact us link,use that ,just copy the url,paste it and tell them what you think is wrong


but there is no reason to delete this post, it happens a lot on Tennessee Vols Football, Vols Basketball, and Lady Vols :)

i assume nobody has hurt feelings?so don't worry about it,as you probably have noticed,when a good thread gets started,there is all ways,a lot of heated debate,which is what makes this forum interesting

if you think something is way out of line,report that,the mods want to know,especially personal attacks,I personally don't see nothing out of the normal for this feisty debate forum

and if somebody feels they are being attacked , and it is way beyond accepted behavior,use the contact link and report it

I for one thought it was a very good question and needed to be asked,it is a very solid thread
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left out the politics forum LOL
 
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volcrazy89 said:
Get your facts straight. That last quote is mine and I never said that was why Annie left. Every player that transfers doesn't leave for the same reason.

Annie is not the only player leaving. There are at least five other players looking into leaving as well, one of them is pretty certainly not coming back.
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I never put your name, or any, next to those quotes, for what I thought was an obvious reason - the quotes came from multiple sources.

My issue isn't players leaving or even why. I only marginally care about that. I posted what I did because of Terra's insinuation that nobody said anything blaming the coaches. There are two threads chock full of posts to that end. If the coaching staff is as good as stated at running players off, then they need no help from Terra. So why does he continue to post as he does? An agenda is my conclusion.
 
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LVJeff said:
Does this mean you retract your statement that you didn't see anybody claim it was because of the coaches?

For the rest of the board: Terra is a fan of PAC-12 softball, is located in California, claims that the Tennessee softball coaching staff mistreats players, and insinuates that the fertile California recruiting grounds will dry up for UT. It's called an agenda, and Terra has one, and it's to scare off potential recruits or parents who may visit or read this board by making statements such as "...for all you parents out there contemplating a softball career...I am not sure how much longer California will be a pool of players for Tennessee..."

Give it a rest.
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Makes sense now. Hence the "your team" comments...
 
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governmentmule said:
look at the bottom of the page,there is a contact us link,use that ,just copy the url,paste it and tell them what you think is wrong


but there is no reason to delete this post, it happens a lot on Tennessee Vols Football, Vols Basketball, and Lady Vols :)

i assume nobody has hurt feelings?so don't worry about it,as you probably have noticed,when a good thread gets started,there is all ways,a lot of heated debate,which is what makes this forum interesting

if you think something is way out of line,report that,the mods want to know,especially personal attacks,I personally don't see nothing out of the normal for this feisty debate forum

and if somebody feels they are being attacked , and it is way beyond accepted behavior,use the contact link and report it

I for one thought it was a very good question and needed to be asked,it is a very solid thread
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Okay. Being a newby I didn't wanna be the cause of any turmoil, ya know?
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Others leave because they aren't happy. It happens. Again, take a look at most high-level college baseball and softball teams. Actually, take a look at all equivalency sports (the NCAA term for sports where athletes receive partial scholarships). When you're only receiving a partial scholarship, it's a lot more tempting to look around at other schools if you aren't playing as much as you like or aren't getting as much scholarship money as other schools will offer. Lots of kids leave. You notice it here because you follow the team. You don't notice that the same thing happens other places because you don't follow those teams.
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Sounds about right. I didn't know Geri Ann Glasco of UGA had transferred to Oregon until the WCWS this year. Sure there are tons more. Makes complete sense.
 
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LVJeff said:
I never put your name, or any, next to those quotes, for what I thought was an obvious reason - the quotes came from multiple sources.
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The original quote was:

What was Aldrettes real reason ? Ralph Weekly (like a poster claimed) or the friends death (like the twitter post) ?
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The post you replied to said:

I didn't see any poster "claim" it was Ralph or the coaches in this situation...
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"This situation" meaning the transfer of Annie Aldrete. Which is what Terra was specifically commenting on.

You replied:

It's been hinted at multiple times if not outright stated. Recognize any of this? If you want to pretend this isn't insinuating it's the coaches, then, well, you're pretending.

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"...There is a long paper trail of how Ralph and Karen treat their players. And they have had a ton of transfers over the years -- more than just about any program..."
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My quote was in response to this thread, which is more of a general thread, and not specifically about Annie. UT has had many head-scratching transfers over the years, and I know for a fact that many players that have transferred left, at least in part, because of how they were treated here. The question you responded to was specifically about Annie. The only thing I've stated about Annie was that her best friend passed away, that UT is very far away from where she is from, and what schools she's been released to. I don't appreciate you trying to twist my words around to your liking.

The poster that stated it was because of Ralph is Melissa Davin's father. Maybe you could try using only his quote since he's the only one that said that. Just an idea. :idea:
 
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And Geri Ann Glasco left Georgia because her dad was an assistant coach there and left the coaching staff. And she was given an unconditional release from Georgia, something that doesn't happen often at UT. Ironically, she didn't follow her dad to Texas A&M, where he is now an assistant coach.

Lu Harris-Champer, Georgia's head coach, has had her fair share of transfers, as well. She also isn't well-respected in the college softball community, as a whole.

Other programs, like Alabama and Florida (i.e. programs that win NCs), have very, very few transfers.
 
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If your unnamed source is correct, then I'm glad that Geer is here to stay. Even though she and Koenig are long-time friends hailing from same travel ball team, I've never thought that they were together a package deal. I thought Geer made her own decision to come to Tennessee regardless of what Koenig wanted to do. Actually, Koenig was probably swayed more by Geer's decision to come to Tennesse than the vice versa. Geer brings a lot to the table, and she should finish out her career at UT. Well, unless Ralph and Karen have been tirelessly dogging her about her defense. Or the lack thereof :)

12 doesn't make sense. But I don't put the blame entirely on the Weeklys. Yes, we would've been fine with 5 or 6, then again other 5-7 kids probably desperately wanted to come play for UT, and give it a shot convincing the coaching staff that they're fine with sitting on the bench/not getting scholarship money. More power to them, and let the competition begin!

volcrazy89 said:
With all due respect, if I wanted to elaborate I would've done it to begin with. Outside of Koenig the rest are mainly bench players and I was told that nothing is set in stone. So I'm not naming anyone else. (Not Geer, though. Not from what I was told by two people.)

Most of it probably stems from playing time, but like always, we never truly know why players leave. There's two sides to every story and the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. Bringing in 12 players while losing two will make players leave. Leaving over playing time certainly isn't a new thing, but I think scholarship money plays into it as well. That being said, anytime you have a mass exodus of players ... it's not good. At the VERY least it looks bad from the ouside looking in. And when you have good hitters leaving ... it also hurts your chances at winning.

I still don't know why the heck our coaches are bringing in 12 players. Simple math says there isn't enough money to go around for everyone. I'll be surprised if half the class makes it all four years, and probably at least a third of the class will leave after their first year when they barely play. There's more talent and, to be frank, better players coming in behind them. Flat out, there is nowhere to put many of the players they are recruiting.
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volcrazy89 said:
With all due respect, if I wanted to elaborate I would've done it to begin with. Outside of Koenig the rest are mainly bench players and I was told that nothing is set in stone. So I'm not naming anyone else. (Not Geer, though. Not from what I was told by two people.)
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Koenig leaving is no secret, that's been out there since midseason. She can tear up average pitching in the non-conference schedule but struggles in the SEC.

Like you, I'm not going to name other names, but there are a few other players that won't be around next year. Some are walkons that were happy to have been a part of the team and are ready to move on. One is an academic issue. A player that was removed from the team but was still on the roster will not be back.

There are a couple of players that were walk-ons, but played extensively, that would like to receive scholarship money and have other programs willing to give it to them if Tennessee can or will not.

Since someone mentioned Geer, she will definitely, 100% be back.

It is also VERY important to not among the 11-12 newcomers listed as "signed" for next year, not all are on athletic scholarship. Thanks to changes in NCAA rules, schools can announce players as "signees" when they pass a couple of different standards, not just when they sign an LOI.

I think people are confused sometimes and think every player is on scholarship. There have been at least three All-Americans on WCWS teams that have been walk-ons all four years at UT. Who is and isn't getting a scholarship (and how much they receive) is a closely-guarded secret so schools with available money don't try and poach players by offering more.
 
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volcrazy89 said:
The original quote was:



The post you replied to said:



"This situation" meaning the transfer of Annie Aldrete. Which is what Terra was specifically commenting on.

You replied:



My quote was in response to this thread, which is more of a general thread, and not specifically about Annie. UT has had many head-scratching transfers over the years, and I know for a fact that many players that have transferred left, at least in part, because of how they were treated here. The question you responded to was specifically about Annie. The only thing I've stated about Annie was that her best friend passed away, that UT is very far away from where she is from, and what schools she's been released to. I don't appreciate you trying to twist my words around to your liking.

The poster that stated it was because of Ralph is Melissa Davin's father. Maybe you could try using only his quote since he's the only one that said that. Just an idea. :idea:
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I made it clear that my issue is Terra's agenda, not you.
 
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thanks Deerpark

at a guess I'm assuming that scholarship money and playing time is a big factor then ?

what do you think about the NCAA allowing more full time scholarships for softball ? or rather should they allow more ?
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Koenig leaving is no secret, that's been out there since midseason. She can tear up average pitching in the non-conference schedule but struggles in the SEC.

Like you, I'm not going to name other names, but there are a few other players that won't be around next year. Some are walkons that were happy to have been a part of the team and are ready to move on. One is an academic issue. A player that was removed from the team but was still on the roster will not be back.

There are a couple of players that were walk-ons, but played extensively, that would like to receive scholarship money and have other programs willing to give it to them if Tennessee can or will not.

Since someone mentioned Geer, she will definitely, 100% be back.

It is also VERY important to not among the 11-12 newcomers listed as "signed" for next year, not all are on athletic scholarship. Thanks to changes in NCAA rules, schools can announce players as "signees" when they pass a couple of different standards, not just when they sign an LOI.

I think people are confused sometimes and think every player is on scholarship. There have been at least three All-Americans on WCWS teams that have been walk-ons all four years at UT. Who is and isn't getting a scholarship (and how much they receive) is a closely-guarded secret so schools with available money don't try and poach players by offering more.
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Thanks for your info DP and as I and a couple others posted the NCAA should change that scholarship rule - softball, is now big time and is televised alot more than ever.
 
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volcrazy89 said:
That's the thing, though. Multiple people have told you the same thing ... and you still don't believe them. I guess we're all lying? If that's what you think, you're obviously in denial. Nobody here has reason to lie about anything. Get out of the big orange bubble. Most of this stuff that's been said here is COMMON KNOWLEDGE in the softball community. Do a little research and you'll see.

As for "backing it", what the sam hell do you want? Video evidence of it happening? A sworn, notarized statement from players? I'm amazed at how ungrateful people on this board are when information is voluntarily passed along to them.
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Loll.


"This smells....Sorry folks but there is more to this. Also more to Akamine transfer(remember how UT stated she wanted to pursue beauty school?), Tobler transfer, Lewis concussions...then graduates and comes back. Watching the Supers last year I actually thought Koenig was going to kick a coaches ass. Kids disappearing during the season. Nearly 100% of these players have a high GPA, stable homes, very social, and obviously very talented. So what's the problem?? Its a bit of a mess, good luck. It's too bad, the fans in Tennessee are great and you deserve better.*"


"I actually wouldn't be surprised if Tennessee said " you put the tweet out on your account and we'll release you, otherwise no deal". Nothing will surprise me."


This is just 2 out of multiple post that have sent me over the edge & believe it or not a lot of people actually lie on here.
 
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volcrazy89 said:
And Geri Ann Glasco left Georgia because her dad was an assistant coach there and left the coaching staff. And she was given an unconditional release from Georgia, something that doesn't happen often at UT. Ironically, she didn't follow her dad to Texas A&M, where he is now an assistant coach.

Lu Harris-Champer, Georgia's head coach, has had her fair share of transfers, as well. She also isn't well-respected in the college softball community, as a whole.

Other programs, like Alabama and Florida (i.e. programs that win NCs), have very, very few transfers.
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Interesting. I'm not a newcomer to softball but I've never really studied NCAA rules. Just hearing that her dad was part of the coaching staff shocks me. Guess that's the high school coach coming out of me in that parents can't coach their kids.

Maybe when other SEC schools start winning NCs, they'll have low transfer rates, too. Given the big stage of softball and players' intensity/abilities, you'd think they would wanna go where the trophies go. Hearing UCLA and other west coast schools' transfer rates would be cool.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Koenig leaving is no secret, that's been out there since midseason. She can tear up average pitching in the non-conference schedule but struggles in the SEC.

Like you, I'm not going to name other names, but there are a few other players that won't be around next year. Some are walkons that were happy to have been a part of the team and are ready to move on. One is an academic issue. A player that was removed from the team but was still on the roster will not be back.

There are a couple of players that were walk-ons, but played extensively, that would like to receive scholarship money and have other programs willing to give it to them if Tennessee can or will not.

Since someone mentioned Geer, she will definitely, 100% be back.

It is also VERY important to not among the 11-12 newcomers listed as "signed" for next year, not all are on athletic scholarship. Thanks to changes in NCAA rules, schools can announce players as "signees" when they pass a couple of different standards, not just when they sign an LOI.

I think people are confused sometimes and think every player is on scholarship. There have been at least three All-Americans on WCWS teams that have been walk-ons all four years at UT. Who is and isn't getting a scholarship (and how much they receive) is a closely-guarded secret so schools with available money don't try and poach players by offering more.
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Who are you!? Reveal yourself! How do you know so much? Am I talking to Ralph Weekly in disguise? 😂 Good to know Geer isn't going anywhere. I'm looking forward to seeing her in her defensive home (OF). I really hope McClain, Ybarra, and/or Irwin isn't leaving.

I didn't know that there were full and partial scholarships handed out at this level. I assumed if you were at UT or any other DI school, you were there by either full scholarship or you were a walk-on. It's all starting to fall together now. Had I known that there were partial scholarships, I probably wouldn't have asked my question in the first place. Walkons are understandably susceptible to leaving. Partial scholarship recipients, can't say I blame them, either.
 
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governmentmule said:
thanks Deerpark

at a guess I'm assuming that scholarship money and playing time is a big factor then ?

what do you think about the NCAA allowing more full time scholarships for softball ? or rather should they allow more ?
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It's a HUGE factor.

Someone, I believe it was VC mentioned Alabama doesn't have a lot of transfers. They have had a few, but that's mostly true. Part of the reason they don't is that Murphy recruits with a purpose and has fewer players on his roster that actually play. If you look at their stats over the last few years, there's typically only 11 players with significant at-bats. Players win their spots in the fall and that's what they roll with.

Included in that is naming two players on the roster as pinch runners. That's all they do and all they're responsible for once the spring season starts. Most programs end up with one or two players like that by default, but Murphy actually names them and the players don't complain about PT because they know/accept their role.
 
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peachstatevolgirl said:
I didn't know that there were full and partial scholarships handed out at this level. I assumed if you were at UT or any other DI school, you were there by either full scholarship or you were a walk-on. It's all starting to fall together now. Had I known that there were partial scholarships, I probably wouldn't have asked my question in the first place. Walkons are understandably susceptible to leaving. Partial scholarship recipients, can't say I blame them, either.
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Softball is what the NCAA calls an equivalency sport (as are all sports other than football, basketball, women's tennis, women's volleyball and gymnastics). That means that there are fewer scholarships than there are roster spots, so scholarships may be divided.

The NCAA limit on scholarships in softball is 12. The maximum number of players that may be on some kind of scholarship is 22, but it is almost never that high at any school

As for someone's question about adding a scholarship or two, I seriously doubt it. That is something that would have to be voted on and approved by the entire Division I membership. Scholarship limits were not one of the things that the "Power Five" conference could change in the new autonomy structure. So while Power Five schools would sure like to add a couple to softball (and baseball, which only has 11.7 to divide among 30 athletes), the other schools outnumber the Power Five and would never pass it.
 
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rocktopper16 said:
Loll.


"This smells....Sorry folks but there is more to this. Also more to Akamine transfer(remember how UT stated she wanted to pursue beauty school?), Tobler transfer, Lewis concussions...then graduates and comes back. Watching the Supers last year I actually thought Koenig was going to kick a coaches ass. Kids disappearing during the season. Nearly 100% of these players have a high GPA, stable homes, very social, and obviously very talented. So what's the problem?? Its a bit of a mess, good luck. It's too bad, the fans in Tennessee are great and you deserve better.*"


"I actually wouldn't be surprised if Tennessee said " you put the tweet out on your account and we'll release you, otherwise no deal". Nothing will surprise me."


This is just 2 out of multiple post that have sent me over the edge & believe it or not a lot of people actually lie on here.
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I'm honestly not following you. I see nothing there that should send you over the edge.

I guess the multiple parents (and even a couple former players) I've spoken with over the last several years that basically say the exact same thing Terra has said are also lying. Oh, and the behavior that's been witnessed in person by many simple fans. Obviously there is a giant conspiracy out there to bring down our coaching staff. OBVIOUSLY. :glare: I think the Weeklys are good coaches, but I think their main success is recruiting really good players who come from very well coached HS and travel ball teams, and it seems like what's gotten them in trouble has been how they treat the players, and how much scholarship money is promised vs. how much is actually given. Does that mean every player that leaves falls under one of those categories? No. But nobody who actually follows college softball would sit here and say that UT over the years hasn't had considerably more transfers than the vast majority of the top programs. I'm not talking about walk-ons and players who sit on the bench, I'm talking about starters and players who are key players for the program.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Softball is what the NCAA calls an equivalency sport (as are all sports other than football, basketball, women's tennis, women's volleyball and gymnastics). That means that there are fewer scholarships than there are roster spots, so scholarships may be divided.

The NCAA limit on scholarships in softball is 12. The maximum number of players that may be on some kind of scholarship is 22, but it is almost never that high at any school

As for someone's question about adding a scholarship or two, I seriously doubt it. That is something that would have to be voted on and approved by the entire Division I membership. Scholarship limits were not one of the things that the "Power Five" conference could change in the new autonomy structure. So while Power Five schools would sure like to add a couple to softball (and baseball, which only has 11.7 to divide among 30 athletes), the other schools outnumber the Power Five and would never pass it.
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that doesn't sound fair to the schools or players,especially the players,how many scholarships are available to the soft ball teams ? the 11.7 number? that isn't enough for either a baseball or softball team, 18 would be a better number

the schools would be able to retain more players and we know the student athletes would like it a whole lot better

so it does come down to whose parents can afford a partial scholarship and whose can't? no wonder there is a lot of turn over
 
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peachstatevolgirl said:
Who are you!? Reveal yourself! How do you know so much? Am I talking to Ralph Weekly in disguise? 😂 Good to know Geer isn't going anywhere. I'm looking forward to seeing her in her defensive home (OF). I really hope McClain, Ybarra, and/or Irwin isn't leaving.

I didn't know that there were full and partial scholarships handed out at this level. I assumed if you were at UT or any other DI school, you were there by either full scholarship or you were a walk-on. It's all starting to fall together now. Had I known that there were partial scholarships, I probably wouldn't have asked my question in the first place. Walkons are understandably susceptible to leaving. Partial scholarship recipients, can't say I blame them, either.
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Since you are a new poster -- DP is very reliable with info -- he is just good friends with the AD people -- :wink2:
 
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