Why did UT drop StubHub for Football Season?

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Also, it's already enough of a hassle to get through security going into the game, particularly at Gates 10 and 21. Do we really need an additional step of everyone having to present an ID to validate their tickets?
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
So do you also denounce the fans who take advantage of season ticket holders, who originally paid full price, and benefit from supply/demand pricing when they pay $10-$20 or less for tickets to games against non-conference whipping posts?

Also, it's already enough of a hassle to get through security going into the game, particularly at Gates 10 and 21. Do we really need an additional step of everyone having to present an ID to validate their tickets?
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Both great points. Just an awful idea.
 
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TNnative said:
And while you show your credit card at the venue, someone with a scanner steals your Identity. Screwd move.
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The credit card stealing isn't really a good argument IMO. This could happen regardless whether you take your CC out or not. Anyone with a smartphone could technically do it.

bleedorange0037 said:
So do you also denounce the fans who take advantage of season ticket holders, who originally paid full price, and benefit from supply/demand pricing when they pay $10-$20 or less for tickets to games against non-conference whipping posts?
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Good point.

bleedorange0037 said:
Also, it's already enough of a hassle to get through security going into the game, particularly at Gates 10 and 21. Do we really need an additional step of everyone having to present an ID to validate their tickets?
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I agree. Getting in the stadium would be an absolute nightmare. As if it's not bad enough for high profile games.

JFreak said:
That donation is a tax deductible donation that supports the university and gives you the right to buy those tickets year after year.
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I'm not an accountant so I'm not going to pretend to understand everything about taxes; however, from what I do understand, the donation is only tax deductible if you claim an itemized deduction. I claim a standard deduction because it benefits me more so I do not see any of my donation back through my refund.

I'll just respectfully agree to disagree with you, JFreak. I didn't post in this thread to start an argument. I get where you're coming from, but I don't agree with it.
 
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JFreak said:
Again, I choose not to do that. After the tax deduction you're making money on the tickets, correct? Still, I fail to see why you're for scalping. You would actually have a chance to buy single game tickets directly from UT if they eliminated it..
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I don't itemize, so no. I still don't come close to the $2,000 a year I spend.
 
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Yankee Stadium pulled similar stunt. No E-tickets accepted at Yankee Stadium gates this year except one ticket selling service that the Yanks own. So you must buy the hard tickets to get to a game.

Yanks know this cripples the secondary ticket markets and allows them to keep ticket prices high. You can't buy a ticket the night of the game and get it e-mailed to you.

Pricks. Oh and beers are $12.00 inside the Stadium.
 
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JFreak said:
No, no. It is a solution, it's just not a solution that you like. Ok, you want to buy them as a gift that's fine. Just designate the name you will be giving them to (at the time of purchase).
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I donate and use them for clients and people I do business with as well as myself. Businesses would stop doing this and cut into their base if your system was used. The system you want is not a solution. You just don't like the system. See how it can work both ways.
 
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JFreak said:
A terrible idea for you or fans as a whole? Giving away the tickets is a simple solution as I just mentioned. Just name the recipient at ticket purchase (I mean you should know who you're giving them to right?). And no, basic American capitalism is a true fan being able to buy a ticket at face value from the venue before greedy scalpers sitting behind a computer screen scoop them all up and create artificial demand. Get ready the time is coming. Adele concert in Nashville is using this method, and as someone above mentioned AC/DC used it a few years back.
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So you're saying that if I own something, in this case a ticket, and someone else wants that ticket, then that person and I should not be able to come up with a price that we both consider fair?

Look, I've never sold a ticket for profit in my life. But I certainly have bought tickets to a sold out event from a third party at a premium and was happy to do it. Someone had a product that I wanted and I determined what price I would pay for that.

Easy example: My girlfriend wanted to see Garth Brooks last summer. We weren't even dating when tickets went on sale and I hate Garth Brooks, so I didn't buy any when they went on sale. I paid about 50% over face value to get us floor seats, she had a great time and made it worth my wile.If ticket reselling wasn't allowed, we would have been out of luck. I don't care if the guy made a profit or not, I needed tickets, he had them and we arrived at a price I was willing to pay to obtain them. I really fail to see what the problem is.

You can throw out examples of concerts using the credit card swipe, but you'll never see the practice become commonplace, especially not at sporting events. What sense would it make for UT to purchase hundreds of credit card scanners and create longer lines when "scalping" is perfectly legal in Tennessee? UT has already received the money for tickets, no matter who paid for them. There is zero reason for UT or any other team to spend that money.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
So you're saying that if I own something, in this case a ticket, and someone else wants that ticket, then that person and I should not be able to come up with a price that we both consider fair?

Look, I've never sold a ticket for profit in my life. But I certainly have bought tickets to a sold out event from a third party at a premium and was happy to do it. Someone had a product that I wanted and I determined what price I would pay for that.

Easy example: My girlfriend wanted to see Garth Brooks last summer. We weren't even dating when tickets went on sale and I hate Garth Brooks, so I didn't buy any when they went on sale. I paid about 50% over face value to get us floor seats, she had a great time and made it worth my wile.If ticket reselling wasn't allowed, we would have been out of luck. I don't care if the guy made a profit or not, I needed tickets, he had them and we arrived at a price I was willing to pay to obtain them. I really fail to see what the problem is.

You can throw out examples of concerts using the credit card swipe, but you'll never see the practice become commonplace, especially not at sporting events. What sense would it make for UT to purchase hundreds of credit card scanners and create longer lines when "scalping" is perfectly legal in Tennessee? UT has already received the money for tickets, no matter who paid for them. There is zero reason for UT or any other team to spend that money.
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That must be true love DP...Garth Brooks...that's taking one for the team right there.

j/k
 
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The FC Dallas soccer stadium in Frisco, TX, where the FCS final is every year, prints your ticket at the gate as you walk in, after you show them your credit card. But, at least for the FCS game, the NCAA had a website set up where you could bid on tickets and see who would take your offer. It was actually very convenient, but that is a small facility. I don't think the credit card acting as your ticket method would work at Neyland.
 
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I make it to 1-3 games at Neyland per year. I either buy from the school, or from friends, or on the street, or online on the secondary market. I would hate for the online resales to go away. Along with the various results that others have cited above, that would cause people to bring their extra hard tickets to their tailgate and probably end up selling them to street scalpers, leading to bigger profits for the street scalpers. Online marketplaces like stubhub and ebay connect buyers and sellers.

And, I'll throw in a plug for tickpick - I used it for the first time for the Mets series at Coors, and each ticket I bought was about $5 cheaper than stubhub, after adding in stubhub's fees.
 
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This is really ONLY a last minute/day of issue here. You can still sell your tickets on StubHub you'll just have to do it a few days in advance to allow for UPS shipping.
 
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Coug said:
This is really ONLY a last minute/day of issue here. You can still sell your tickets on StubHub you'll just have to do it a few days in advance to allow for UPS shipping.
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But, that also introduces an additional expense that either the buyer or seller has to pick up.
 
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The NCAA uses Flash Seats for Final Four and does not send hard tickets to purchaser. For entry have to show credit card. (after games they send hard tickets for a souvenir).
 
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Orange&whitelover said:
The NCAA uses Flash Seats for Final Four and does not send hard tickets to purchaser. For entry have to show credit card. (after games they send hard tickets for a souvenir).
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That sounds like the procedure for the FCS final in Frisco, TX. The stadium also used that for men's and women's Olympic soccer qualifiers.
 
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1982Alum said:
Yankee Stadium pulled similar stunt. No E-tickets accepted at Yankee Stadium gates this year except one ticket selling service that the Yanks own. So you must buy the hard tickets to get to a game.

Yanks know this cripples the secondary ticket markets and allows them to keep ticket prices high. You can't buy a ticket the night of the game and get it e-mailed to you.

Pricks. Oh and beers are $12.00 inside the Stadium.
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And...only get one beer per person when in line. I don't like the new stadium half as much as the original.
 
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I was told by a rep from Stubhub yesterday that you can print the tickets from them and present them at the gate. Just no electronic scans on the phone are allowed. You do not have to ship the hard ticket.. Now he may have been wrong but this is what I was told and I have already bought Florida tickets for this years game so my questions was linked to my order number.
 
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JFreak said:
That donation is a tax deductible donation that supports the university and gives you the right to buy those tickets year after year. Not your license to buy a bunch of extra sets and try to recoup your $1000. Although yes I realize the ticket office pitches this idea. I absolutely disagree with your assertion that donations would significantly drop if they took away this option.

I had season tickets last year (45 yd line, lower bowl, 10 rows up). I was offered an extra 4 season tickets in O for face value when I purchased mine. My response? "No thank you ma'am I'll leave them for someone that won't sell them at a markup (hopefully)." My hope would be that a STH would not sell his tickets to the UF game. I would hope his love for this university would outweigh the desire to make $100. No to mention, with my proposal his/her ability to make a significant profit on selling them would be less and he would be less likely to scalp them.

Ok, since your want to come up with theoretical exceptional circumstances I'll share my actual circumstance. I'm active duty military (and UT alumni) that tries to attend at least 1 game every year. For the 5 years prior to last season I wasn't able to attend any games (deployments, erratic work schedule, etc). Last year all the stars aligned and I was able to purchase season tickets.. so I purchased the absolute best I could. I missed 2 games due to extenuating circumstances and work. Gave those tickets away to friends instead of scalping them. This year I will not be so lucky. The only game I will be able to attend is the FL game. I was there in 2004 and I damn sure won't miss this victory. Looks like I'll have to pay $250 for a decent ticket or so. I will have absolutely no chance to purchase at near face value, but THOUSANDS of tickets will be in the hands of scalpers located all over the world. What is right about that? I could absolutely get those tickets for free by renewing my season tickets and selling everything but the FL game.. but you know what, I refuse to do that. Maybe there are some things I value more than a few $$. To each his own.
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Is the bolded really true?

It sounds like you would put an end to scalping if you could.
 
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This topic comes up a few times a season.

I've sold game tickets from my season ticket package for years. Sometimes higher than face value but usually at a loss.

People complain when the market price is higher than face. I've never had anyone offer to pay face value for a ticket a game like Austin Peay, western Kentucky, south Alabama. The buyer is then willing to pay only what the market price is.
 
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JFreak said:
A terrible idea for you or fans as a whole? Giving away the tickets is a simple solution as I just mentioned. Just name the recipient at ticket purchase (I mean you should know who you're giving them to right?). And no, basic American capitalism is a true fan being able to buy a ticket at face value from the venue before greedy scalpers sitting behind a computer screen scoop them all up and create artificial demand. Get ready the time is coming. Adele concert in Nashville is using this method, and as someone above mentioned AC/DC used it a few years back.
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No.
 
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Volanta said:
Ill gladly purchase them whenever...email me
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so..Mr. Smart Solutiion, how do I get them to you when I find out on a Friday that I won't be able to make the trip from west tennessee? (so you can have them to get in the game)
 
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dd4vols said:
so..Mr. Smart Solutiion, how do I get them to you when I find out on a Friday that I won't be able to make the trip from west tennessee? (so you can have them to get in the game)
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Just let me know instead of him..I'm just up the road in Lexington. We would gladly drive to Savannah before we head to the game!:)
 
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