why can't we view Tennessee this way

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We are getting plenty of love from the media... Just not from the NegaVols on here.
 
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joevol33 said:
I've seen a lot of praise for Arkansas today, even though they have 2 conference wins in the last 2 years. The talk is how being patient
is tthe key to getting a program to a powerhouse. The media is on board, the school, now the fans. We've gotten a little hype from the media, but nothing like Arkansas. I know they beat better teams, but my point is why can't we understand it takes time? Especially the shape Tennessee was in.
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They also beat LSU and Ole Miss where we beat a bad SC team and a bad Kentucky team. And no one around here is patient (Phil Fulmer/Cuonzo Martin)
 
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My point was, if you are longing for the praise CBB is getting, the admin at UT is to blame because for about the same money we could have had him.

Nobody even knew BB was job-hunting. He reached out to the hogs, not vice versa. He didn't reach out to UT, despite the fact that both had openings.
 
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I actually think this team is getting some positive press for the first time in years. But many of the fans are a different story. The fanbase is simply starving for a winning football team. Tennessee is a traditional football powerhouse, and the good years under Fulmer quite frankly gave the fanbase a sense of entitlement. We feel we are entitled to be relavent, and are sick and tired of getting curb stomped in the SEC and out of conference games (Oklahoma, Oregon, etc). It has been too long since we were good, and we want to win NOW.
 
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joevol33 said:
I've seen a lot of praise for Arkansas today, even though they have 2 conference wins in the last 2 years. The talk is how being patient
is tthe key to getting a program to a powerhouse. The media is on board, the school, now the fans. We've gotten a little hype from the media, but nothing like Arkansas. I know they beat better teams, but my point is why can't we understand it takes time? Especially the shape Tennessee was in.
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If you watch Arkansas play the team has an offensive and defensive identity. There is nothing gimmicky or soft about their offense and their defense has caught up with the offense from a toughness standpoint. They just destroyed LSU and Ole Miss while the only decent win we have is against a South Carolina team that is pretty bad.
 
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thebjd said:
If you watch Arkansas play the team has an offensive and defensive identity. There is nothing gimmicky or soft about their offense and their defense has caught up with the offense from a toughness standpoint. They just destroyed LSU and Ole Miss while the only decent win we have is against a South Carolina team that is pretty bad.
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LSU is a middle of the road team, and that isn't the same Ole Miss team we played earlier in the year.
 
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thebjd said:
If you watch Arkansas play the team has an offensive and defensive identity. There is nothing gimmicky or soft about their offense and their defense has caught up with the offense from a toughness standpoint. They just destroyed LSU and Ole Miss while the only decent win we have is against a South Carolina team that is pretty bad.
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Biggest difference between Chaney now and Chaney when he was here is that Chaney now has two very good RBs and some very good blocking TEs. They simply pound the ball over and over again. They play old school football. Chaney has provided them with an identity as you stated, and it's working very well for them. People forget that they about beat Texas A&M as well. They have played most teams very close this year. I was very surprised to see how good they looked when I watched them last week.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
LSU is a middle of the road team, and that isn't the same Ole Miss team we played earlier in the year.
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They didn't just beat LSU and Ole Miss, they shut them out. Back to back games. That's unbelievable no matter how you look at it. You are talking about a team that lost to Bama by one point and almost beat Miss. St.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
LSU is a middle of the road team, and that isn't the same Ole Miss team we played earlier in the year.
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An unranked team has never had back to back shutouts against two ranked teams in the history of college football. It's impressive any way you look at it. Beliema is a great coach and the development and progress of Arkansas is paying dividends. I bet they win at Mizzou on Fri.
 
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keckjm said:
They didn't just beat LSU and Ole Miss, they shut them out. Back to back games. That's unbelievable no matter how you look at it. You are talking about a team that lost to Bama by one point and almost beat Miss. St.
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Didn't realize I was repeating your points as I was typing. Lol
 
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keckjm said:
Biggest difference between Chaney now and Chaney when he was here is that Chaney now has two very good RBs and some very good blocking TEs. They simply pound the ball over and over again. They play old school football. Chaney has provided them with an identity as you stated, and it's working very well for them. People forget that they about beat Texas A&M as well. They have played most teams very close this year. I was very surprised to see how good they looked when I watched them last week.
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Actually, I think Bielema has provided that team with an identity....same one he provided Wisconsin with. Chaney is just organizing and calling the offense that Bielema wants and, fortunately for him, he has the OL already in place he needs to do so.
 
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Orange to the Bay said:
I think the point Butch keeps trying to make, and I keep mentioning with our alum group here when we watch games is, we'd like to be in a position where we don't have to play true Freshman, really at most any position, especially in the trenches. Anyone using Barnett as a rebuttal, come one. I love him. He's a fantastic talent with a great motor. You have a guy like that, and how can you not put him on the field? Well, if you have former 4 and 5* Jr/Sr DL'men, that's how. That's what Butch wants. He wants 18yo kids developing with off-season conditioning to get the bodies of SEC men during the season, while his team of RS Freshmen, Sophomores, Jrs, and Srs goes out and wins f'ing football games.

Take a look around the SEC. Take a look around the nation, any conference, any team, even mid-majors. No one is playing 23 Freshmen in the 2-deep. No one is starting 7 Freshmen in a game. UGa, UF, Bama, etc, they may have 1-2 standouts that are freakish enough to play/start/contribute as true Freshman because they are simply just too good to keep off the field, a la Eric Berry in '07 (do I have the year correct?). Other than that, you're not going to see many. Even Winston redshirted a year, and he was one of the most heralded recruits in the nation that year. That's called depth, and it takes program development to get to that point.

Arkansas had their crapshow a little further in their rearview mirror before Bielema arrived (the goofy guy who lost almost all his games was only one year, and didn't kick a bunch of players off the team a la Kiffin), so they didn't have attrition and depth issues that we did. People need to make like Aaron Rodgers and RELAX. What happened with the UT program is a bit of a special case. Not many teams had to endure waning talent leading up to '07, followed by 4 tumultuous bungled years of poor development and attrition to lead us to the point where we have to hang all our hopes this season largely on the performance of an entire Freshman class...all the while replacing all starters on both sides of the OL and DL (seriously, can anyone remember a team ever, any team ever, that that's happened to?? Seriously, maybe I'll even google it)!! We really have fought hard to even be in the spot we're in now. Next year will be twentysome more Freshman contributors, and more growing pains. '16 and '17 is where we will see the fruits of this timing-wise. We'll have upperclassmen out there who've been entrenched in this workman-like culture. And the new young studs, well they can redshirt and watch Barnett as a Jr go out and lay waste to opponent OL's while Sutton (if he's still around as a Sr) swats everything in sight like Darrelle Revis.

Can I get a hell yeah for that?
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Solid post. Very well said..
 
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UNAVol89 said:
I'll give you a hint: whichever team has the better offensive line
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This is probably true. I think they will have a better line but if ours is good enough to just hold up next year we will be able to put up a lot of points.
 
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joevol33 said:
I've seen a lot of praise for Arkansas today, even though they have 2 conference wins in the last 2 years. The talk is how being patient
is tthe key to getting a program to a powerhouse. The media is on board, the school, now the fans. We've gotten a little hype from the media, but nothing like Arkansas. I know they beat better teams, but my point is why can't we understand it takes time? Especially the shape Tennessee was in.
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High expectations with no solid foundation of truth...or we have more a-holes than Arky does. :w00t: :dunno:

GO VOLS!
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
How many SEC championships has Arkansas won in the past?

How many first rounders?

How many Nat'l titles within the past 20 years?

We are Tennessee, not Arkansas. Traditionally we have been the superior program. It sucks that now we are on their level, or as some suggest below them.
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Take an objective look at Arkansas and you'll see that they never had the attrition or coaching turnover like we did. Petrino had them competing at a high level in the SEC West before his dismissal in 2012. Bielema getting back to that level is much easier than what Butch has had to do in repairing the damage from the late Fulmer + Kiffin + Dooley disasters. Our roster turnover was insane and compounded over 3 coaching changes. That's a huge reason for the huge hole we're digging ourselves out of. Tradition is great to have and is a great selling point but living in the present is a better way to analyze the current state of our program...which IMO is one that is improving every week through all phases (recruiting, S&C, and schemes).
 
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Orange to the Bay said:
I think the point Butch keeps trying to make, and I keep mentioning with our alum group here when we watch games is, we'd like to be in a position where we don't have to play true Freshman, really at most any position, especially in the trenches. Anyone using Barnett as a rebuttal, come one. I love him. He's a fantastic talent with a great motor. You have a guy like that, and how can you not put him on the field? Well, if you have former 4 and 5* Jr/Sr DL'men, that's how. That's what Butch wants. He wants 18yo kids developing with off-season conditioning to get the bodies of SEC men during the season, while his team of RS Freshmen, Sophomores, Jrs, and Srs goes out and wins f'ing football games.

Take a look around the SEC. Take a look around the nation, any conference, any team, even mid-majors. No one is playing 23 Freshmen in the 2-deep. No one is starting 7 Freshmen in a game. UGa, UF, Bama, etc, they may have 1-2 standouts that are freakish enough to play/start/contribute as true Freshman because they are simply just too good to keep off the field, a la Eric Berry in '07 (do I have the year correct?). Other than that, you're not going to see many. Even Winston redshirted a year, and he was one of the most heralded recruits in the nation that year. That's called depth, and it takes program development to get to that point.

Arkansas had their crapshow a little further in their rearview mirror before Bielema arrived (the goofy guy who lost almost all his games was only one year, and didn't kick a bunch of players off the team a la Kiffin), so they didn't have attrition and depth issues that we did. People need to make like Aaron Rodgers and RELAX. What happened with the UT program is a bit of a special case. Not many teams had to endure waning talent leading up to '07, followed by 4 tumultuous bungled years of poor development and attrition to lead us to the point where we have to hang all our hopes this season largely on the performance of an entire Freshman class...all the while replacing all starters on both sides of the OL and DL (seriously, can anyone remember a team ever, any team ever, that that's happened to?? Seriously, maybe I'll even google it)!! We really have fought hard to even be in the spot we're in now. Next year will be twentysome more Freshman contributors, and more growing pains. '16 and '17 is where we will see the fruits of this timing-wise. We'll have upperclassmen out there who've been entrenched in this workman-like culture. And the new young studs, well they can redshirt and watch Barnett as a Jr go out and lay waste to opponent OL's while Sutton (if he's still around as a Sr) swats everything in sight like Darrelle Revis.

Can I get a hell yeah for that?
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If I would have trudged through the thread, I'd have seen that my point was already made.
 
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Our o-line will be a lot better next year along with the rest of the team,i believe
we'll beat arky in neyland next year and the love from the media will start pouring in
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
How many SEC championships has Arkansas won in the past?

How many first rounders?

How many Nat'l titles within the past 20 years?

We are Tennessee, not Arkansas. Traditionally we have been the superior program. It sucks that now we are on their level, or as some suggest below them.
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People dont want to think this. some people are not capable of redirecting their thoughts and expectations through the regression. These people must never have adversity that last longer than a season in life.

When my wife got in a car wreck she wasnt able to work, we couldnt spend money like we did and buy that new truck I was wanting when she was able to work was I able to buy the truck the day she started her job back. No! The effects of losing an income for some amount of time effected us beyond that period, it effected my savings and also put me in the hole a little bit. there was a recovery period for our finances.

Our recovery as a program has been painful but it is turning around.

Can anyone on here put UT on a timeline until we win the next championship dealing with the consequences from previous coaches. You can but its only your opinion which DONT MATTER!!!

Our period to deal with the consequences is almost behind us. We have a bright future and Im sorry if you negavols cant see it! Look at the bright side:

our skilled positions are exactly where they need to be, just build more depth through recruiting

O-Line now has a year under their belt and a off season to improve, more depth coming in

we stayed in every game aside from Ole Miss with a horrible horrible OLine

Dobbs has the potential to be the one of the best QBs in the SEC and no the last game doesnt make him any less capable

next year our schedule eases up and we get Oklahoma at our house
 
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KBVol said:
Actually, I think Bielema has provided that team with an identity....same one he provided Wisconsin with. Chaney is just organizing and calling the offense that Bielema wants and, fortunately for him, he has the OL already in place he needs to do so.
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I agree, but Pittman did sign 3 of the 5 starters on their OL. Pittman is formulating an OL in Arkansas that's going to be good for years to come. Since he left here, Pittman has signed 5-6 OT prospects that are 6'6" or taller, we have signed 3, one of which is Coleman who is most likely our C for the future. That's a huge area of concern for our Vols IMHO.
 
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thebjd said:
Arkansas will play Missouri this week and we will see how they do. I bet they win by double digits and put the ball in the air maybe 15 times.
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That's easy to do when you have a decent OL. We would have at least 2 more wins with a decent OL. Can't make chicken salad out of chicken $€!t
 
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