Why are people acting like Dobbs can't get better?

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jakez4ut said:
going back on the whole season we still don't have a huge sample size of what the passing game should look like. the one game that stands out is the Ark game, and it stunk.

i think it's too easy to just say "dobbs needs to get better". which i do think he does btw. i don't think he developed leaps and bounds 14 to 15.

that said, while i agree the O line got better.....i don't think they're close to elite in pass protection or run blocking. they went from plain old bad in 14 to average in 15.

the WR issues have been well documented.

in 16, we need all of these things to come together to see what, if anything, we have in Dobbs as a pocket passer. i think it's still TBD. just like last year.
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Don't disagree though I'm more impressed by the OL than you apparently are. I just think Dobbs is the limiting factor. UT can be "good enough" on the OL. They have the talent and now plenty of experience. They can be good enough at WR.

I honestly do not know what Dobbs' ceiling is as a passer. I believe that is the main factor in how much progress is made... unless, Lord forbid, he is injured.
 
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norrislakevol said:
The offensive line will improve even more next year as will Dobbs accuracy. These things should improve by default. Take his completion percentage this year, which is almost 60 percent I think and add a couple of point to it to make it about 62 percent and you may just have the difference in a close game being won or lost right there.

A healthy Josh Dobbs is the best QB in the SEC next year hands down. With a good showing in the bowl game should be a preseason All SEC first team selection.
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If Chad Kelly returns, then he is the best passer in the SEC. And OM's receivers have proven to stay healthier and be more consistent. I agree that Dobbs is the best overall QB. The Dak of 2016 if you will.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Here are what two of the best QBs in the SEC this year were doing at the same stage in their development as Josh (3 years removed from high school).

Football | NCAA | Player Stats - Dak Prescott - Mississippi State Bulldogs - washingtonpost.com

2013 season: RS Sophomore
11 games played
58.4% completion percentage
1940 yards passing (7.3 yards per attempt)
10 TDs
7 INTs


Football | NCAA | Player Stats - Brandon Allen - Arkansas Razorbacks - washingtonpost.com

2013 season: RS Sophomore
11 games played
49.6% completion percentage
1552 yards passing (6.0 yards per attempt)
13 TDs
10 INTs

Football | NCAA | Player Stats - Joshua Dobbs - Tennessee Volunteers - washingtonpost.com

2015 season: True Junior
12 games played
59.9% completion percentage
2125 yards passing (6.7 yards per attempt)
15 TDs
5 INTs

If Dak Prescott and Brandon Allen can go from that to being 3000 yard passers that complete 65% of their passes, then why can't Dobbs? I'd argue Dobbs is ahead of both as passers after 3 years of college. Which means he should be even better than both next year as a senior.

You folks don't realize when you have a good thing till its gone. Josh Dobbs will be the best QB in the SEC next year and one of the best in the nation. Appreciate him before its too late.
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You're obsessed
 
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sjt18 said:
Can Dobbs get better? Neither the OP nor I nor anyone else who has posted in this thread knows. If he can then we still do not know in what ways he can get better.

Dobbs has gotten better with most things in the passing game. But... does he have the innate talent to become a great passer? Here's what's left to do that:

1- He must have better vision/anticipation/field sense... whatever you want to call it. He needs to lead receivers MUCH better. He doesn't seem to anticipate where to throw the ball. He has to do a better job of throwing receivers open. On the play prior to Hurd's fumble vs UGA, Wolf made a catch and was tackled at the 1. If led properly, he makes the catch and scores without being touched. Several times in the same game, Dobbs threw 5-10 yards short of receivers because he didn't accurately target where they were going to be. This is a constant problem for Dobbs and has prevented receivers from making big plays.

2- He needs to be accurate "within the strike zone". Many of his catchable passes unnecessarily require the receiver to twist or extend. This prevents YAC's and also exposes the receivers to injury.

3- He needs to continue to improve pocket management.


Others can add but these are the key things to me.
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Good Insight. However, I believe it was a Dobbs run (with multiple broken tackles) that set up the Hurd fumble and subsequent 99 yd fumble return by UGA. Not a pass to Wolf. I was there it was very f'n deflating at the time.

On a side note. My friend went to the concession stand with about a 1:30 left in the half when we were still down 24-3. We all know what happened in that last minute and a half. Long story short, My friend watched the rest of the game from the tunnel. Call it superstitious if you want. But it worked. :)
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
Good Insight. However, I believe it was a Dobbs run (with multiple broken tackles) that set up the Hurd fumble and subsequent 99 yd fumble return by UGA. Not a pass to Wolf. I was there it was very f'n deflating at the time.
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You could be right. Thanks for the correction.

Do you remember the play to Wolf I'm talking about?

On a side note. My friend went to the concession stand with about a 1:30 left in the half when we were still down 24-3. We all know what happened in that last minute and a half. Long story short, My friend watched the rest of the game from the tunnel. Call it superstitious if you want. But it worked. :)
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I do strongly believe and hope that Dobbs can get better, alot better but I feel as if that's not his top of his list in worries. Dak and Brandon both woke up and realized that they had to start playing otherwise they wont make the Nfl however in Dobbs's case he won't go to the Nfl because of his major in college he has a huge future as a job rasther than a Quarterback. I think he improves very much but not as much as Prescott and/or Allen did.
 
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My ONLY complaint about Dobbs is his passing. I do not think he reads his progressions that well or fast enough. Seeing the field seems to be a problem. I think he can get better at that though. His running ability is stellar and ability to slip tackles is amazing. If his passing gets better then Dobbs could be a Heisman contender if not winner.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
2015 season: True Junior
12 games played
59.9% completion percentage
2125 yards passing (6.7 yards per attempt)
15 TDs
5 INTs
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Why do you keep acting like this is the only year he has played. He has started 21 games for UT, 12 this year, 4 last year (not counting Alabama) and 5 in 2013. I think your comparison is a bit skewed. You should at least be comparing to Dak's and Brandon's 2014 season.

Having said that, I don't subscribe to the theory he can't improve. I hope he we get a great QB coach that can work with him and improve his passing efficiency. If that is accomplished, the sky is the limit because he has all of the other tools.

Joshua Dobbs Game By Game Stats and Performance - Tennessee Volunteers - ESPN
 
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I would like to see how much of Dobbs' yards are inflated by yac, and his completion percentage is inflated by screen/swing passes. No doubt he is a great runner, but his passing leaves something to be desired.
 
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sjt18 said:
Don't disagree though I'm more impressed by the OL than you apparently are. I just think Dobbs is the limiting factor. UT can be "good enough" on the OL. They have the talent and now plenty of experience. They can be good enough at WR.

I honestly do not know what Dobbs' ceiling is as a passer. I believe that is the main factor in how much progress is made... unless, Lord forbid, he is injured.
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and that's the thing isn't it? none of us do, and we have varying ideas of why that's the case.

which is why i had #3 on my list...i'd like to see what he could do if he had a consistent pocket and a reliable group of WR's to throw to.

i think we'd get our answer.
 
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Dobbs is a descent QB, but IMO he's got on work on his accuracy if we're going to be successful next season. I'm not really sold on Dobbs to win a game with his arm yet.
 
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I think my biggest issue is I felt like he didn't improve from last year. Even though his stats look good if you watch the games you don't get any vibes that he's a confident passer. I'll be on the Dobbs bandwagon if we hire an established QB coach. I think he can improve and may do so naturally next year but i would love to see Butch step up and pull in a coach to help with that process.
 
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KoachKletus said:
Apples. Let Dobbs play a year with Clemsons schedule and see how his stats puff up. I'm not advocating that Josh would start for any team in the country - quite the opposite. I'm more for seeing his future development at UT and let the chips fall where they may. I happen to think that Josh is one of the best in the SEC.
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He's made some fantastic plays; truly elite. He's also missed some passes a sophomore in high school should've made. That's his biggest knock - inconsistency.
 
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Truth is Doobs stinks at any ball over 10 yds Down field . other than that his running and screen passes are great .if he gets a better deep ball he will be a great QB
 
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johnrlansford said:
No one said trade them for their QB, they said that they would be happy to have them as their starter.
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There was a poster who earlier said he wouldn't trade Dobbs for Watson which is essentially the same thing. And somewhat ridiculous. Dobbs is a very good college QB .... Watson is an elite, perhaps the best college QB in the country. He's both a better runner and passer than Dobbs and, while I love Josh, I'd trade him for Watson faster than a hiccup.
 
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KBVol said:
There was a poster who earlier said he wouldn't trade Dobbs for Watson which is essentially the same thing. And somewhat ridiculous. Dobbs is a very good college QB .... Watson is an elite, perhaps the best college QB in the country. He's both a better runner and passer than Dobbs and, while I love Josh, I'd trade him for Watson faster than a hiccup.
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I must have missed the other poster. I am just saying that if Josh Dobbs is your QB then you should be happy, hes been a a winner and carried this team many times. Not every team can be undefeated, and there really isn't another QB I'd rather have leading our team in 2016.
 
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too many variables that go into a QBs stats, drop and tipped passes go against the QB vs WR's stats in incomplete and interceptions. If UT brings back all their WRs in 2016, I think you will see better stats.

Go Vols!
 
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KingtUT said:
Yes but the main reason we are a run team is because he isnt a very good passer. I will say that what he lacks in passing skills he makes up for with his legs.
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And why in the world would we try and be a passing team with this RB duo.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
Damn right and I don't think you're getting what I was saying. I said any team would love to have him as their starter, not trade their starter out. He's good enough to be a starting qb at any school.
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Then you're simply saying he has the quality of a starting QB for a good team. Which makes sense, because he's already the starting QB for a good team.
 
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