Why a new OC?

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As long as Lyle is running the program, It probably doesn't matter.

Excellent observation, Op.
 
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Roustabout said:
Last I checked Debord is the only coach on this staff who has coached in and won a NC. I think Debord has tweaked Butch's offense and at times it looks very good. Can't quite figure why it was so slow out of thr gate early in the year. Unless UT can hire an OC who is proven and has the green light to run the show, then I say why bother.
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He also lost to App st!! And would have lost again this year if they would have had a kicker!!!
 
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m1al said:
Two thoughts come to my mind..

1. Still to predictable for my tastes.
2. Unwilling to take chances and 'go for the throat'.... IMO
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2 thoughts come to mind for why we shouldn't change....

1. 36.4 points per game, 2nd in the SEC
2. If you don't like the offense as is, a new OC won't matter one iota, since this is Jones' offense
 
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Vol4ever said:
Why do we need a new OC? Look at the offense after Hurd left.

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What we need is a new S/C coach in the weight room. To toughen these guys up. Just look at Saban he hired a good S/C coach and he has been there for a while. He has them ready to hit the field and they are not soft, like our O-line was. Butch changed S/C coach this year and look at all the injuries we had. Get a S/C coach and don't listen to them when they whine about having to work out.
 
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KBVol said:
2 thoughts come to mind for why we shouldn't change....

1. 36.4 points per game, 2nd in the SEC
2. If you don't like the offense as is, a new OC won't matter one iota, since this is Jones' offense
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1. We scored well but it still doesn't speak to my concerns..
2. Totally agree with you on this.. Butch would have to loosen his grip and stop micro managing.. Which he needs to do anyway, no matter who is hired or not hired...
 
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cncchris33 said:
Because our offense has looked like a hot turd on too many occasions for Butch to just be "okay" with DeBord's performance unless he was essentially executing what Butch wants.

Listen to one Butch Jones press conference and then tell me that guy doesn't have his hand in every aspect of the team. Why do you think he hired an olympic swimming coordinator to run the offense instead of going out and hiring a brilliant offensive mind?

So, do I have any "evidence"? No, no smoking gun. But I think anyone who can evaluate Jones' ego and the DeBord hire can get a sense that he brought in someone who would run "his system" and not threaten his position.

Maybe I'm way off though.
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:yes: Yup, you are.
 
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Catbone said:
Lack of deep throws too many screens and short passes and lack of getting playmaker in space and predictable overall jmo
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Think that's just Jones' offense Cat.....plus, those ridiculous horizontal bubble and WR screens that average .4 yards per play and nearly get your WR decapitated 95% of the time are just a general overall trend for spread college offenses these days.
 
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m1al said:
1. We scored well but it still doesn't speak to my concerns..
2. Totally agree with you on this.. Butch would have to loosen his grip and stop micro managing.. Which he needs to do anyway, no matter who is hired or not hired...
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Predictable for the most part, yes. But still very effective overall outside of the Bama and App State games.
 
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Roustabout said:
Last I checked Debord is the only coach on this staff who has coached in and won a NC. I think Debord has tweaked Butch's offense and at times it looks very good. Can't quite figure why it was so slow out of thr gate early in the year. Unless UT can hire an OC who is proven and has the green light to run the show, then I say why bother.
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But all of our coaches are life champions, so screw his credentials.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
It would be interesting to see what other teams are averaging against them during this stretch as well.
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Look at my post #17 on page 2. I posted this year's Alabama average, and last 2 years of Florida. I didn't go back and check either any farther back.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I don't believe destiny had anything to do with it. There wasn't a single game where the team looked prepared to play at the start of the 1st quarter. That's all on how Jones is running the team from top to bottom.
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By destined to lose 2 or 3 games, I meant that we aren't even close to beating Alabama, so there's 2 losses( reg season and SEC Ch) . Even though it is possible we could beat Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl, that is probably the 3rd loss. So.....destined to lose 2 or 3 if we played our best.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Offense was more productive than the 2007 and 2001 teams and you guys are still b*******. So typical
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Offense was productive but without Dobbs making something out of nothing it wouldn't look near as good. No telling how many times he escaped a sure sack and turned it into a big gain.
 
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orangesoda said:
He also lost to App st!! And would have lost again this year if they would have had a kicker!!!
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Yep, and Saban lost to a 2-5 and a 0-6 Northwestern team while at Mich St. In 1991, Saban's Mich St. team lost to Nebraska by 41 points. Nebraska was shut out 2 weeks later by Arizona St.

In 2000, UAB won their first ever game against an SEC opponent when they beat Saban's LSU team. In 2007, Saban's Alabama team lost to Louisiana Monroe.

You can take any off. or def. co-ordinator in the country and find games that they almost lost, or did lose. They don't actually play, and they aren't totally responsible for a win or a loss. It's a team game.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Because they are averaging 13.5 ppg against Alabama and 22.5 ppg against FL in 4 seasons.

Feasting on the back half of the schedule and padding stats against lesser opponents is all well and good but figuring out how to perform better against our major rivals should be the goal at this point.
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Post of the day. Thank you.

If you take care of the primary metrics against these two teams, the rest will take care of itself.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I don't believe destiny had anything to do with it. There wasn't a single game where the team looked prepared to play at the start of the 1st quarter. That's all on how Jones is running the team from top to bottom.
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Going forward with the best team CBJ has had at UT and "the year" in 2016, this is what troubles me the most about our current philosophy, style, preparation, etc.
 
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utvols74 said:
Going forward with the best team CBJ has had at UT and "the year" in 2016, this is what troubles me the most about our current philosophy, style, preparation, etc.
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Seems like we did start some games on defense and would force a punt. To me that is being ready, at least on defense. Then we would run run pass punt and put the defense right back out there. We needed to play "complimentary" football.
 
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we either ran it twice up the middle, threw a screen for +/- 2 yards, then punted. Or we scored every time we got the ball.
 
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burntorangevolffle said:
my only problem with the offense this year (maybe last year too) it seems like first down is do or die. If we get a false start/holding penalty or dropped for a loss of more than 2 yards we may as well punt and the next down. I don't know if that's scheme related or not but it seemed like we very rarely recover from making a mental mistake on 1st down.
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i disagree. The last two years, tennessee made a bunch of 2nd and long and 3rd and long first downs.
 
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Vol4ever said:
Why do we need a new OC? Look at the offense after Hurd left.

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Why I want one: it's far too predictable, doesn't play to players' strengths, you either fit in it or you don't, won't attract future NFL talent, needs a coach to work it to make sure you keep your defense off the field, and 83 other reasons.

That said, my guess is Debord will return and Dormady will be forced to run the zone read or he won't start. My further guess is that Butch won't change the scheme to fit Dormady's strengths.
 
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KBVol said:
2 thoughts come to mind for why we shouldn't change....

1. 36.4 points per game, 2nd in the SEC
2. If you don't like the offense as is, a new OC won't matter one iota, since this is Jones' offense
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It's hard to argue with 36.4 points per game. Looks like after Hurd left the backs we had worked a lot better. Hurd was a step slow and after he left the speed game kicked in.

IMO Butch has to look in the mirror and see how he needs to improve as a head coach.
 
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m1al said:
Two thoughts come to my mind..

1. Still to predictable for my tastes.
2. Unwilling to take chances and 'go for the throat'.... IMO
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This is exactly it. We go into a shell until we are down by 20 or we go up by 10 and do it. We refuse to run between the tackles and we won't throw downfield early in the game. Only on last ditch effort or in bowl games.

Watch any other successful spread team and there is a clear difference in what we are lacking play calling and scheme wise. We don't even use half of the full route tree.
 
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