who's predicting a double digit win over UF

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ALGator said:
You can't say that's fact because you aren't comparing apples to apples. The only reason UT didn't have any players drafted is because the players didn't declare for the draft. Reeves-Maybin, Dobbs, Hurd, Kamara.. There are probably others. Those guys WILL get drafted. They just haven't done it yet.

So, if we're ranking players based on whether or not they got drafted we should wait until these guys are done with college and then go back and look and count the entire group instead of only focusing on one year.
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Hurd was true soph...
 
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Pacer92 said:
Hurd was true soph...
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Exactly. And when he's done with school, whenever he decides that time is, he will declare for the draft and I can promise you he'll get picked up by someone.

So, let's wait and look back in a few years when they're all done with school and then count how many draft picks there were. If the number of players drafted is still in Florida's favor then I'll agree with chattaboogie.
 
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ALGator said:
Ya'll have been better for the last 2 years. Guess that doesn't mean much. :good!:
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I agree with Al the gator fan, we have been better the last two years at least of the streak. They have had better coaching. Butch has taken his lumps, but now he is ready to be a better coach. It helps that our talent is still improving and the gator's talent looks like a toilet bowl with it's downward spiral. Butch still needs every advantage possible, due to his conservative nature. CBJ prefers to play it close to the vest. Gators will need a repeat performance on 4th down to keep it close in Knoxville. Shoop's Orange Monsters will shut the Gator's Offense down.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
I agree with Al the gator fan, we have been better the last two years at least of the streak. They have had better coaching. Butch has taken his lumps, but now he is ready to be a better coach. It helps that our talent is still improving and the gator's talent looks like a toilet bowl with it's downward spiral. Butch still needs every advantage possible, due to his conservative nature. CBJ prefers to play it close to the vest. Gators will need a repeat performance on 4th down to keep it close in Knoxville. Shoop's Orange Monsters will shut the Gator's Offense down.
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You might be right, I can't wait to find out! :eek:k:
 
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Iam4utalways said:
I agree with Al the gator fan, we have been better the last two years at least of the streak. They have had better coaching. Butch has taken his lumps, but now he is ready to be a better coach. It helps that our talent is still improving and the gator's talent looks like a toilet bowl with it's downward spiral. Butch still needs every advantage possible, due to his conservative nature. CBJ prefers to play it close to the vest. Gators will need a repeat performance on 4th down to keep it close in Knoxville. Shoop's Orange Monsters will shut the Gator's Offense down.
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We were not better two years ago. We had the worst O-line in UT history and Worley at QB. We were better last year however, but not by a lot and Dobbs struggled throwing the ball that game. But we choked, no way around that. Gators have to pray that there is some voodoo and the Vols choke again, cause that's their only chance, and they know it.
 
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Homer J Gator said:
Our defense will be better than last year. We will replace Morrison (who had zero coverage skills) with Anzalone, who started the season before being hurt. Bullard and McCallister will be replaced with CeCe Jefferson and Brian Cox Jr, who both started games last year. Our biggest drop off this year will come in the secondary, where we lose out 3 year starter at nickle - Brian Poole.

You can say what you want about the VHIII and Neal going in the first round, but we played so many guys, that we are going to be better this year.
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You are out of your mind if you think that. Tennessee shredded the Gators in the run game last year, and you certainly have not improved your quality depth in your defensive front 7.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
We were not better two years ago. We had the worst O-line in UT history and Worley at QB. We were better last year however, but not by a lot and Dobbs struggled throwing the ball that game. But we choked, no way around that. Gators have to pray that there is some voodoo and the Vols choke again, cause that's their only chance, and they know it.
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With all our flaws we were better. Coaching was the difference for these last two years for sure. CBJ let them off the hook. Not on purpose, he just thought he had enough points to win and turned it over to our defense. A miscalculation is why we lost the past 2. We are more talented with more experience, and have made coaching improvements. It is a process.

It's just sad that Mud Chump and Swamp Donkey got the better of us.



Get it together Butch.
 
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How about this. Who is a better coach Butch Jones or William Muffcramp? I'm going Butch hands down.

What about Butch vs Swamp Donkey? I'm going with Donkey.

Opinions?
 
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ALGator said:
The problem with the 247 composite is its based on recruiting rankings, which were based on what those kids did in high school.

The All SEC-Team places players on the list based on production in college against SEC talent.
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Except for the fact that we both had 3 people in the 2015 Post-season All-SEC team. Not to mention that the extra guy we had on the All-SEC Preseason team in 2015 was Curt Maggitt who was injured by our game.
 
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ALGator said:
How about this. Who is a better coach Butch Jones or William Muffcramp? I'm going Butch hands down.

What about Butch vs Swamp Donkey? I'm going with Donkey.

Opinions?
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Swamp donkey may be a better game day coach, but Butch is the better recruiter, which is just as important. It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's.
 
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ALGator said:
The problem with the 247 composite is its based on recruiting rankings, which were based on what those kids did in high school.

The All SEC-Team places players on the list based on production in college against SEC talent.
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The pre-season All-SEC Team that didn't have Evan Berry first team returner as a returning ALL American? That's all I need to know about those lists.
 
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ALGator said:
Exactly. And when he's done with school, whenever he decides that time is, he will declare for the draft and I can promise you he'll get picked up by someone.

So, let's wait and look back in a few years when they're all done with school and then count how many draft picks there were. If the number of players drafted is still in Florida's favor then I'll agree with chattaboogie.
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I see what you're saying and yeah we had draft eligible players that didn't declare this year. Two years ago that wasn't the case except AJ would have been drafted if not for getting in trouble. Either way that puts you guys up fifteen over the past two years so we would have to cover some serious ground for it to even out with regards to players on those squads.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Swamp donkey may be a better game day coach, but Butch is the better recruiter, which is just as important. It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's.
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Hard to argue with you on the recruiting part.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Will not be a battle. TN is better at every position on offense, that's just a fact. TN is better on defense on the DL, at linebacker and potentially at safety. Vols also have best special teams in the country. Florida's offense was garbage last year without Grier. I'm sure Del Rio is better than Harris (who isn't?) but who knows, he's barely played. Won't come into Neyland and face this defense and win. Who knows about your Junco running back, but our 6'4 240 lb RB is one of the best in the country, and better than Florida's, not to mention Kamara as our 1b. TN is just better than Florida. That's a fact.
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You're looking at it wrongly, the offenses obviously don't play each other. UF has talent on defense just as UT does on offense. They see Hurd and say "awesome player," but "here's LB Jarrad Davis, we ain't scared." They go 9-deep on the d-line with guys like Brian Cox Jr, Caleb Brantley, Joey Ivie, CC Jefferson, etc. Their secondary is crazy talented, probably the best CB duo in the country in Tabor and Wilson, and one of the best safeties in Marcus Maye. How Maye and Davis didnt go pro is beyond me.

UF's offense is a mystery, and nobody really knows. But to dismiss this notion that Del Rio would have started over Grier last year as "Gator fan talk" would be a mistake. There are articles all over the place about that from last year before the season, and many other articles about how Del Rio was killing it as the practice squad qb against UF's first team defense. I'll say this; it's hard for me to think UF's offense will get worse than last year, yet last year's offense looked great at times against UT's defense, which basically has the same players returning. Yes, they'll return better/bigger/stronger, all that, but so will UF's players. Florida returns about 6 o-linemen with multiple starts, one of the most exciting young WR's in the country in Callaway, added a SEC-type RB in Thompson, and added two QB's who fit McElwain's offense so much better than Treon Harris that it ain't even funny.

All I'm saying is, once again, many are dismissing UF as a "boatrace" game, making the the same mistake, yet again. And then there will be utter shock and dismay when they look up and this game is a nailbiter deep into the 4th quarter, and maybe even a loss. Don't do it, Florida is good, possibly very good. This doesn't mean Tennessee isn't good, or possibly great. It's okay for both teams to be outstanding.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I doubt that Callaway ever comes back. Doesn't really matter though, Gators were terrible against the run last year.
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Callaway is back, they announced that today. Also, UF's run defense was 25th in the country last year, not exactly terrible. UT's was 45th.
 
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Homer J Gator said:
The discussion was that Del Rio had little game experience - I said that Grier had zero experience before the season and he still torched your defense.
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The entire UF o-line is back except journeyman Trip Thurman and they return two playmaking WR's; Callaway and Powell. People remember Callaway because of "the play" but UT could not stop Brandon Powell. Powell also torched Ole Miss the following week then got hurt and fell off. He's back healthy, UT had better have a plan for him.
 
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DCompagnucci said:
The entire UF o-line is back except journeyman Trip Thurman and they return two playmaking WR's; Callaway and Powell. People remember Callaway because of "the play" but UT could not stop Brandon Powell. Powell also torched Ole Miss the following week then got hurt and fell off. He's back healthy, UT had better have a plan for him.
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Florida fans continue to think this is the same TN of the last 11 years. It's not. That's the point. When the game his zero and its 34-6 TN, they'll know
 
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Another note on the Del Rio versus Grier thing. Why do you think Grier transferred? For a fresh start? Please. Grier knew what his teammates and Coach McElwain knew, that Del Rio was waiting in the wings and chances were very good that with Del Rio getting a 6-game head start in 2016, Grier may never see the field again at UF.

Grier and his Dad wanted reassurances, some have reported "guarantees," that Grier would re-assume starter duties upon his return. If Mac were in any way doubtful about Del Rio's abilities, Grier would still be at UF.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Florida fans continue to think this is the same TN of the last 11 years. It's not. That's the point. When the game his zero and its 34-6 TN, they'll know
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Maybe so, but maybe not so. How many times over the last 11 years have you been convinced before the game? I'll answer for you, most of them.
 
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