Who Has Said No?

[jakez4ut]

I'm not saying Butch is the only one or anywhere near the best. I'm just saying it doesn't appear there is a ton of interest from the top couple of targets.

Right now its not supposed to appear like anything...lol

 

[vol1950]

Probably time to start believing. Turned down by Gundy, Gruden, Strong, and Patterson in 2012 that we know of. Appears to be trending in that direction again. Guess we'll know when the final decision is made. Which I wouldn't expect before Nov 25.

Charlie Strong would take the UT job now, Norvell would take the job. Take a look at what they are being paid now. These are not my first pics but imo be much much better than what we have. I think Mullen would take the job, if Fla doesn't offer also.

 

[IndianaVolunteer]

Especially with such a warm and friendly fan base....

This fan base is warm and friendly, if you don’t run a stupid scheme and run out of shotgun on the 1 yard line.

Butch was loved by everyone especially after the first 2 years with recruiting as good as it was.

Your post is trash..

 

[Tidal Surge]

depends on how you define "a while"....they just extended him 3-4 months ago and gave him a raise.

I think for a few weeks at least. The offense & QB performance just hasn't improved. That was supposed to be Mac's #1 priority and area of expertise.

 

[reeceb73]

I'm not saying Butch is the only one or anywhere near the best. I'm just saying it doesn't appear there is a ton of interest from the top couple of targets.

I get it, you are as frustrated as everyone else on here, but do you have any proof of this claim?

This reads like pure conjecture on your part. I think this gruden stuff is pure fantasy, but jmo. I have nothing to back that up with. Most of the real candidates are still coaching, so any contact can't/shouldn't be reported or talked about.

We are much better shape than 2012. We will get a good coach or the best of the up and comers.

 

[Ytsubs3]

Do you enjoy lying or are you simply ignorant?

The state of Tennessee is now top 5 in the country when it comes to producing elite college football talent. Only Florida, Texas, Georgia, and California are currently producing more talent.

Tennessee is producing more 4 and 5 star prospects in the classes of 2019 and 2020 than Louisiana and Ohio. Only Florida, Texas, Georgia, and California have more.

So you are absolutely right about talent in this state being like others. Its now top in the country. Its special.

not consistently in the top 5. Anomalies are expected but tennessee is not a consistent top 7 bluechip recruiting state

 

[508mikey]

Butch Jones to Tennessee: Why This Was the Best the Vols Could Do | Bleacher Report
I get that it's not 2012 and the program is certainly in better shape than when Butch was hired. But how soon people forget. 2012 coaching search was a disaster.

The OL and DBs are still not better and the LBs are worse

 

[jlarson11]

I think this is going to end up like Texas last year. Keep Butch (Charlie) longer than expected but when he is fired we'll announce the new hire within 48 hours. Not sure if it'll be 12 like Texas lol. LSU firing Les before Texas fired Strong didn't help them land Herman. To me, it seems like irrational, emotional midseason firings don't help a school unless they already have their guy (which UF certainly could already). Outside of Tenn media, I haven't seen many national writers applaud this.

People say Florida could have their guy, but that doesn't make any sense for why they would fire now instead of just waiting out the season.

IMO, Forida took the death threat lie and ran with it to push him out so the AD can have his guy in place. I really think it is that simple. The AD doesn't have his guy, IMO, and I suspect the guy he hires will be underwhelming.

 

[ukvols]

Probably time to start believing. Turned down by Gundy, Gruden, Strong, and Patterson in 2012 that we know of. Appears to be trending in that direction again. Guess we'll know when the final decision is made. Which I wouldn't expect before Nov 25.

The only 'turn down' on your list that meant anything regarding the state of the program was Strong.
Gundy is an OK State guy with a winning program at OK State.
Gruden has turned down every coaching offer.
Patterson has a winning program at TCU. The time to get him was the 2008 search, before TCU was in the Big 12.

We're probably not going to get a sitting head coach to leave a Power Five program, after he's gotten it rolling, unless he has a tie to Tennessee. That doesn't mean our job stinks.

 

[ukvols]

I'm not saying Butch is the only one or anywhere near the best. I'm just saying it doesn't appear there is a ton of interest from the top couple of targets.

We all need hope right now as fans.
I just don't understand your approach.
You've chosen to assume hard work and competence by the AD instead of believing our job is desired by quality coaches.

 

[IndianaVolunteer]

We all need hope right now as fans.
I just don't understand your approach.
You've chosen to assume hard work and competence by the AD instead of believing our job is desired by quality coaches.

Also, he has no source.

Our guess is as good as his, but he reminds me of butch in a way. He thinks his opinion is unbreakable and that there can’t be any other input/opinions.

 

[JFreak]

Also, he has no source.

Our guess is as good as his, but he reminds me of butch in a way. He thinks his opinion is unbreakable and that there can’t be any other input/opinions.

It's a message board dude. We share opinions based on what we know, which isn't much at this point. That's how this whole thing works. I've never said my opinion was unbreakable. I definitely welcome and would love to hear alternative view points.

 

[IndianaVolunteer]

It's a message board dude. We share opinions based on what we know, which isn't much at this point. That's how this whole thing works. I've never said my opinion was unbreakable. I definitely welcome and would love to hear alternative view points.

I don’t have FACTS, so I’ll refrain from conspiracy topics such as claiming nobody wants this gig as you’ve stated.


Stay in high school drama class. 👍🏽

 

[rtr88]

Gruden. Soon.

Must not want any Trick or Treaters.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think for a few weeks at least. The offense & QB performance just hasn't improved. That was supposed to be Mac's #1 priority and area of expertise.

yeah, i get that, but even if a few weeks, then then that puts the ???'s starting to mount literally a few weeks after giving him a raise and extension.

i think he probably would have been safe thru this year w/out the death threat issue. that gave the university, and Mac if we're being honest, the ability to make this happen when it it did. w/out that....i'm not sure they could do it unless Mac had offers he could act on.

and i'm betting those would have been few considering what his buyout would have been.

 

[LWSVOL]

not consistently in the top 5. Anomalies are expected but tennessee is not a consistent top 7 bluechip recruiting state

this link has a tab that shows the last 5 years by state who produced the talent.. there are several tabs that show numbers of recruits signed and level of recruits. State is making progress on production of players but other states are as well.

2002-2017 BCS Players by States.xlsx - Google Sheets

 

[johnrlansford]

Don't believe that's accurate. We used the Atlanta based search firm to find Derek Dooley and no formal announcement was made.

They did announce that they used a search firm during Dooley search! Being a State ran University, everything is public record! That is state law i am pretty sure.

 

[jlarson11]

UCFSportsInfo‏ @UCFSportsInfo 45m45 minutes ago
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. @ucf_marcdaniels said as of today no one has contacted Scott Frost or his agent. Marc said people claiming to have sources are lying

 

[johnrlansford]

We have a search firm on retainer. No need or requirement to announce when or what capacity they're being used.

But you can't contact any employed coaches til the end of the season so why does it matter, only informal conversations about interest with Agents and other back channels!

 

[johnrlansford]

Charlie Strong would take the UT job now, Norvell would take the job. Take a look at what they are being paid now. These are not my first pics but imo be much much better than what we have. I think Mullen would take the job, if Fla doesn't offer also.

Strong is paid so little because he and his agent are screwing Texas still, ever penny he doens't make is paid to him by Texas still! It is by design that he make so little!

 

[landscapingvol]

Durkin? We are interested in a guy who's been a head coach for two years....at Maryland? Why exactly? Seriously?

And Campbell--is he the Iowa State coach who is 9-11 in the Big10 in his two years there, after coaching at Troy?

And for all the effusive praise for Frost, what the hell has he done? He's been a head coach for two years at Central Florida--and while he's had some success there, nobody has the vaguest idea how he'd do at UT. He's the flavor of the moment. None of these three has proven anything. If Saban's credentials were a 9.5 out of 10 before he was hired by Bama--he'd won a national title and had extended head coaching experience at two major programs--these guys are a 4, if that.

Nonsense, they haven't reached out to anyone. Kelly had a three year show cause letter at Oregon, UT was never going to reach out to him.

 

[OldandStillaVol]

UCFSportsInfo‏ @UCFSportsInfo 45m45 minutes ago
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. @ucf_marcdaniels said as of today no one has contacted Scott Frost or his agent. Marc said people claiming to have sources are lying

Anyone who believes that Scott Frost's agent (or other rep) has not been contacted by ANY school is naive.

 

[johnrlansford]

Anyone who believes that Scott Frost's agent (or other rep) has not been contacted by ANY school is naive.

Yes just not by anyone in the AD, maybe by a booster! We are in for a wait before any coach will be announced unless it is an unemployed coach!

 

[landscapingvol]

Probably time to start believing. Turned down by Gundy, Gruden, Strong, and Patterson in 2012 that we know of. Appears to be trending in that direction again. Guess we'll know when the final decision is made. Which I wouldn't expect before Nov 25.

Get your facts straight: UT never reached out to John Gruden in 2012 other than a conversation or two; Patterson was very interested in UT but the AD screwed it up just like they did with Cutcliff previously; Strong was set to take the job but backed out at the last minute and it could have been salvaged; Gundy was nothing more than a ploy to get a raise; and CBJ was always on the list he wasn't some plan z. Ok they struck out on Gundy, it happens just like at every other University quit acting like no one wants to coach at UT.

 

[Tarkus]

As we are all looking for reasons to justify why Butch has not been fired, it appears the best explanation has been apparent all along. We just choose to ignore it. From a PR standpoint, it is very important to Currie that the AD avoid a protracted and embarrassing coaching search. As a result, the policy is to have a verbal agreement with a new HC and formal announcement within a few days of firing Butch. I believe the search firm has contacted various agents and the interest in the job just isn't that warm. Another coaching search like 2012 would be detrimental from a PR standpoint.

Another possibility would be that there is interest by someone who is currently coaching another team. The AD could already have his guy picked out and is just waiting for him to become available. The best way to avoid, what would appear to be, a long coaching search would be to keep Butch in place until his replacement is ready to leave his current position. It's all just speculation but keeping Butch in place until Currie has his replacement makes the search a lot easier for the AD. Even if fans throw temper tantrums over Butch still being here.