Who Has Said No?

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As we are all looking for reasons to justify why Butch has not been fired, it appears the best explanation has been apparent all along. We just choose to ignore it. From a PR standpoint, it is very important to Currie that the AD avoid a protracted and embarrassing coaching search. As a result, the policy is to have a verbal agreement with a new HC and formal announcement within a few days of firing Butch. I believe the search firm has contacted various agents and the interest in the job just isn't that warm. Another coaching search like 2012 would be detrimental from a PR standpoint.
 
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As we are all looking for reasons to justify why Butch has not been fired, it appears the best explanation has been apparent all along. We just choose to ignore it. From a PR standpoint, it is very important to Currie that the AD avoid a protracted and embarrassing coaching search. As a result, the policy is to have a verbal agreement with a new HC and formal announcement within a few days of firing Butch. I believe the search firm has contacted various agents and the interest in the job just isn't that warm. Another coaching search like 2012 would be detrimental from a PR standpoint.

Now, that makes too much mature sense to be accepted here.

You are, of course, spot on and it is well put.
 
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Gruden. Soon.
 

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As we are all looking for reasons to justify why Butch has not been fired, it appears the best explanation has been apparent all along. We just choose to ignore it. From a PR standpoint, it is very important to Currie that the AD avoid a protracted and embarrassing coaching search. As a result, the policy is to have a verbal agreement with a new HC and formal announcement within a few days of firing Butch. I believe the search firm has contacted various agents and the interest in the job just isn't that warm. Another coaching search like 2012 would be detrimental from a PR standpoint.

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I don't think that a realistic "no" could be given to a job that's not officially open. I understand that feelers are put out there but it would make much more sense to get a "maybe" rather than a "no"...for no other reason than contract extensions.
 
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As we are all looking for reasons to justify why Butch has not been fired, it appears the best explanation has been apparent all along. We just choose to ignore it. From a PR standpoint, it is very important to Currie that the AD avoid a protracted and embarrassing coaching search. As a result, the policy is to have a verbal agreement with a new HC and formal announcement within a few days of firing Butch. I believe the search firm has contacted various agents and the interest in the job just isn't that warm. Another coaching search like 2012 would be detrimental from a PR standpoint.

i agree with that. and it's just hard to believe that there isn't a lot going on behind the scenes while this season continues to play out.

most of this made a lot more complicated, perception wise, by FL already making their decision and being in the market openly. it allows for certain conversations to be had, with recruits, candidate representatives etc...that we cant' necessarily have, at least not in the same vein.

it's easy to overreact right now, and looks like we are (self included)...human nature.
 
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I think this is going to end up like Texas last year. Keep Butch (Charlie) longer than expected but when he is fired we'll announce the new hire within 48 hours. Not sure if it'll be 12 like Texas lol. LSU firing Les before Texas fired Strong didn't help them land Herman. To me, it seems like irrational, emotional midseason firings don't help a school unless they already have their guy (which UF certainly could already). Outside of Tenn media, I haven't seen many national writers applaud this.
 
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As we are all looking for reasons to justify why Butch has not been fired, it appears the best explanation has been apparent all along. We just choose to ignore it. From a PR standpoint, it is very important to Currie that the AD avoid a protracted and embarrassing coaching search. As a result, the policy is to have a verbal agreement with a new HC and formal announcement within a few days of firing Butch. I believe the search firm has contacted various agents and the interest in the job just isn't that warm. Another coaching search like 2012 would be detrimental from a PR standpoint.

So a program with the money, facilities, resources and a talented roster still isn't attractive to someone? I'm not buying this. What can you substantiate your claim with? What search firm has been hired? Who is it? The interest in UT just isn't that "warm"? lol. UT is in a great position to win and win big! Totally different situation than 2012. Dooley had depleted the program so far and there was ZERO recruiting. Plus the NCAA was sniffing around some due to all the basketball chaos. UT seemed way too toxic in 2012, even after Dooley had "cleaned it up" after Kiffin..........
 
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I think this is going to end up like Texas last year. Keep Butch (Charlie) longer than expected but when he is fired we'll announce the new hire within 48 hours. Not sure if it'll be 12 like Texas lol. LSU firing Les before Texas fired Strong didn't help them land Herman. To me, it seems like irrational, emotional midseason firings don't help a school unless they already have their guy (which UF certainly could already). Outside of Tenn media, I haven't seen many national writers applaud this.
I agree with this. I don't personally believe FL has anyone in waiting. I think they favored jumping at the opportunity to avoid paying a $13 million buyout rather than focusing on the best long term strategic plans.
 
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So a program with the money, facilities, resources and a talented roster still isn't attractive to someone? I'm not buying this. What can you substantiate your claim with? What search firm has been hired? Who is it? The interest in UT just isn't that "warm"? lol. UT is in a great position to win and win big! Totally different situation than 2012. Dooley had depleted the program so far and there was ZERO recruiting. Plus the NCAA was sniffing around some due to all the basketball chaos. UT seemed way too toxic in 2012, even after Dooley had "cleaned it up" after Kiffin..........

oh, i didn't get that at all from his post. i think that's something we need to remember here. this is an attractive job. you have everything you need here to win at, and compete at, a championship level.

i think there's a natural anxiety that exists, especially now that FL is looking, that we can't compete with them and that their job is THAT much better than ours.

and you can make a couple arguments that says it is. but i don't think that gap is so great that we couldn't, or shouldn't, compete with them for the same type of a coach. the biggest advantage they have is the recruiting base...it just is what it is. but even that hasn't prevented TN from recruiting at a very high level.

but we have better facilities. money, resources, fan base, overall tradition, stadium, etc...all fairly equal.

and i'd argue that the immediate future for TN could be viewed better than FL's. they have some basic, fundamental cultural issues in that program that need to be fixed. we don't have the same level issues they do right now.

the emotional reaction is what it is...but if you think it thru a little bit, if our boosters and admin will decide to make "will it help us win?" the driving force behind the decision making, a lot of other things will fall in line accordingly.
 
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As we are all looking for reasons to justify why Butch has not been fired, it appears the best explanation has been apparent all along. We just choose to ignore it. From a PR standpoint, it is very important to Currie that the AD avoid a protracted and embarrassing coaching search. As a result, the policy is to have a verbal agreement with a new HC and formal announcement within a few days of firing Butch. I believe the search firm has contacted various agents and the interest in the job just isn't that warm. Another coaching search like 2012 would be detrimental from a PR standpoint.

Well, how, really, can anyone say no when there's not been a search, yet?

"There’s not a coaching search going on at Tennessee yet, but many believe it will only be a matter of time."

Report: Former Tennessee coach Phillip Fulmer to be 'heavily involved' in coaching search
 
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Having confidence that your are going to improve your position before making a change is a prudent business decision. It's does appear to be rare in college athletics though.
 
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I agree with this. I don't personally believe FL has anyone in waiting. I think they favored jumping at the opportunity to avoid paying a $13 million buyout rather than focusing on the best long term strategic plans.

FL could have someone, you never know, but it seems like they moved so fast that it seems unlikely they do. If they do, I'd have to imagine that someone isn't coaching right now.
 
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Well, how, really, can anyone say no when there's not been a search, yet?

"There’s not a coaching search going on at Tennessee yet, but many believe it will only be a matter of time."
You're right. There is no official coaching search. That's why colleges use search firms and coaches have agents. No direct contact between the 2 entities, thus no "coaching search".
 
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I think this is going to end up like Texas last year. Keep Butch (Charlie) longer than expected but when he is fired we'll announce the new hire within 48 hours. Not sure if it'll be 12 like Texas lol. LSU firing Les before Texas fired Strong didn't help them land Herman...
That would be nice. But Texas had the advantage of being Herman's dream job. UGA had that advantage with Kirby Smart. Idk if UT has a candidate on their short list who feels UT is definitely the one job he wants most among the likely potential openings.
 
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