White supremacist mows down mosque in NZ

You know this war has been going on for centuries already, right?
Absolutely has but the violence has its peaks and valleys and the styles can differ in how the war is approached with formal battles to guerrilla warfare. This is a period where the majority of killings have been muslims killing Christian's.

As we develop as a western society, the likelihood of peaceful religious freedoms are as high as they have ever been. But it appears theres a limit and now we have extreme views from the other side that are now being acted upon rather than just aluminum foil podcasts. The 'war' may be shifting to guerrilla warfare on innocent people from the other side.

I saw a post from ISIS asking about names of this dudes family, friends, etc. Theyll fan each others flames. innocent people on both sides seem to be subject to the same terroristic violence. idk dink.. not sure there will be a peaceful way to stop it unless both communities at large collectively ACT to not just condemn but eradicate these ideals.
 
Does the Koran really say “Kill the infidels wherever you find them”?

Excerpt from Chapter 17: Jihad



Right-wing Web sites devoted to showing the “truth about Islam” array searing verses that seem to show the Koran offering a nearly unlimited license to kill. (A few years after 9/11, a list of “the Koran’s 111 Jihad verses” was posted on the conservative Web site freerepublic.com.) But the closer you look at the context of these verses, the more limited the license seems.

The passage most often quoted is the fifth verse of the ninth sura, long known to Muslims as the “Sword verse.” It was cited by Osama bin Laden in a famous manifesto issued in 1996, and on first reading it does seem to say that bin Laden would be justified in hunting down any non-Muslim on the planet. The verse is often translated colloquially—particularly on these right-wing Web sites—as “kill the infidels wherever you find them.”

This common translation is wrong. The verse doesn’t actually mention “infidels” but rather refers to “those who join other gods with God”—which is to say, polytheists. So, bin Laden notwithstanding, the “Sword verse” isn’t the strongest imaginable basis for attacking Christians and Jews.

Still, even if the Sword verse wasn’t aimed at Christians and Jews, it is undeniably bloody: “And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush.” It seems that a polytheist’s only escape from this fate is to convert to Islam, “observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms.”

But the next verse, rarely quoted by either jihadists or right-wing Web sites, suggests that conversion isn’t actually necessary: “If any one of those who join gods with God ask an asylum of thee, grant him an asylum, that he may hear the Word of God, and then let him reach his place of safety.” After all, polytheists are “people devoid of knowledge.”

And the following verse suggests that whole tribes of polytheists can be spared if they’re not a military threat. If those “who add gods to God” made “a league [with the Muslims] at the sacred temple,” then “so long as they are true to you, be ye true to them; for God loveth those who fear Him.” For that matter, the verse immediately before the Sword verse also takes some of the edge off it, exempting from attack “those polytheists with whom ye are in league, and who shall have afterwards in no way failed you, nor aided anyone against you.”

In short, “kill the polytheists wherever you find them” doesn’t mean “kill the polytheists wherever you find them.” It means “kill the polytheists who aren’t on your side in this particular war.”…

I expect this from Luther, but youre brighter than this.

The text above does all it ever needed to do..quote 1 of the MANY suras that tell them to kill "infidels" which is anyone but a muslim.

The text above, that you seemingly are using to defend islam? Says for them to kill those "who join other gods with God" ...thats as plain as day. By any interpretation, Christians and Jews, who outright reject allah, who they refer to as capital G God... and we do certainly worship the God of Isaac and Jacob...which is absolutely not their god...so they are INSTRUCTED to kill us. Oh, and you, too by the way, just told to do so in a different sura. Again, I have read the quran. In its entirety. Cant fool me. I know my enemy, and the tricks, lies, and murder he is commanded to commit.

The only muslim that isnt a radical terrorist is an insincere muslim. Period. One who flatly refuses to do as they re commanded to do by their made up god. Those are harmless. Real muslims, who study their book and obey their gods supposed commands are lying murdering terrorists

You and the left can make excuses for them and defend them...as soon as they get a majority in any european country, they will enact sharia law, begin persecuting gays, liberals 1st, then jews, Christians, etc...and we, the US, will light that ass up like a Christmas tree. You can count on it. Their supposed holy book calls for infiltration, subversion, then domination. In that order.

Read the damn book. Wake up.
 
How many people have the Westboro Baptists beheaded? Don't agree one bit with them but have they been violent or just obnoxious douche canoes?

The point is that many Christians say that are not acting in conformance with verse. It is always assumed that Muslims who commit atrocities are acting in conformance with their religious directive.
 
I expect this from Luther, but youre brighter than this.

The text above does all it ever needed to do..quote 1 of the MANY suras that tell them to kill "infidels" which is anyone but a muslim.

The text above, that you seemingly are using to defend islam? Says for them to kill those "who join other gods with God" ...thats as plain as day. By any interpretation, Christians and Jews, who outright reject allah, who they refer to as capital G God... and we do certainly worship the God of Isaac and Jacob...which is absolutely not their god...so they are INSTRUCTED to kill us. Oh, and you, too by the way, just told to do so in a different sura. Again, I have read the quran. In its entirety. Cant fool me. I know my enemy, and the tricks, lies, and murder he is commanded to commit.

The only muslim that isnt a radical terrorist is an insincere muslim. Period. One who flatly refuses to do as they re commanded to do by their made up god. Those are harmless. Real muslims, who study their book and obey their gods supposed commands are lying murdering terrorists

You and the left can make excuses for them and defend them...as soon as they get a majority in any european country, they will enact sharia law, begin persecuting gays, liberals 1st, then jews, Christians, etc...and we, the US, will light that ass up like a Christmas tree. You can count on it. Their supposed holy book calls for infiltration, subversion, then domination. In that order.

Read the damn book. Wake up.

So you understand the Quran better than a devout muslim and Islamic scholar? I find your arrogance on this subject odd.
 
That article is the dumbest **** ever.

"Well this particular sura doesnt say to kill ALL INFIDELS...just the idolaters..."

What is an idolator?

One who worships anyone or anything EXCEPT for the God of those who are calling them idolators!!!!

That means anyone except atheists...who actually usually worship at the altar of SELF...so it means them, too...

Are the authors dumb, ignorant, or willfully deceptive??? Its one of the 3 for sure
 
Does the Koran really say “Kill the infidels wherever you find them”?

Excerpt from Chapter 17: Jihad



Right-wing Web sites devoted to showing the “truth about Islam” array searing verses that seem to show the Koran offering a nearly unlimited license to kill. (A few years after 9/11, a list of “the Koran’s 111 Jihad verses” was posted on the conservative Web site freerepublic.com.) But the closer you look at the context of these verses, the more limited the license seems.

The passage most often quoted is the fifth verse of the ninth sura, long known to Muslims as the “Sword verse.” It was cited by Osama bin Laden in a famous manifesto issued in 1996, and on first reading it does seem to say that bin Laden would be justified in hunting down any non-Muslim on the planet. The verse is often translated colloquially—particularly on these right-wing Web sites—as “kill the infidels wherever you find them.”

This common translation is wrong. The verse doesn’t actually mention “infidels” but rather refers to “those who join other gods with God”—which is to say, polytheists. So, bin Laden notwithstanding, the “Sword verse” isn’t the strongest imaginable basis for attacking Christians and Jews.

Still, even if the Sword verse wasn’t aimed at Christians and Jews, it is undeniably bloody: “And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush.” It seems that a polytheist’s only escape from this fate is to convert to Islam, “observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms.”

But the next verse, rarely quoted by either jihadists or right-wing Web sites, suggests that conversion isn’t actually necessary: “If any one of those who join gods with God ask an asylum of thee, grant him an asylum, that he may hear the Word of God, and then let him reach his place of safety.” After all, polytheists are “people devoid of knowledge.”

And the following verse suggests that whole tribes of polytheists can be spared if they’re not a military threat. If those “who add gods to God” made “a league [with the Muslims] at the sacred temple,” then “so long as they are true to you, be ye true to them; for God loveth those who fear Him.” For that matter, the verse immediately before the Sword verse also takes some of the edge off it, exempting from attack “those polytheists with whom ye are in league, and who shall have afterwards in no way failed you, nor aided anyone against you.”

In short, “kill the polytheists wherever you find them” doesn’t mean “kill the polytheists wherever you find them.” It means “kill the polytheists who aren’t on your side in this particular war.”…

So let me get this straight.

As long as I have not attempted to wrong a Muslim they will not kill me no matter my religion?

If I have attempted to wrong a Muslim and I ask for asylum, they will indoctrinate me and allow me safe passage?

If I have attempted to wrong a Muslim and don’t ask for asylum, will they attempt to kill me?

Polytheist - Greek origins - multiple gods - own religions and rituals. They are okay to be killed as they are “devoid of knowledge”? If they don’t pray to allah.

If I was to say Allah is a made up fool, would that be cause for death? If I were to say there is only one real god(jack daniels). Would this be cause for death?
 
That article is the dumbest **** ever.

"Well this particular sura doesnt say to kill ALL INFIDELS...just the idolaters..."

What is an idolator?

One who worships anyone or anything EXCEPT for the God of those who are calling them idolators!!!!

That means anyone except atheists...who actually usually worship at the altar of SELF...so it means them, too...

Are the authors dumb, ignorant, or willfully deceptive??? Its one of the 3 for sure
You are correct on this I believe Marcus. For a religious scholar to say “it says idolator not infidel” as connected to Islam is being disingenuous at best. Even in Christianity. If you worship an object or entity of than God / Allah then you are basically an idolator to Christians / Muslims. Infidels are idolators to practicioners of the Islam faith as they don’t worship Allah. Just as Muslims are infidels to Christians.
 
That article is the dumbest **** ever.

"Well this particular sura doesnt say to kill ALL INFIDELS...just the idolaters..."

What is an idolator?

One who worships anyone or anything EXCEPT for the God of those who are calling them idolators!!!!

That means anyone except atheists...who actually usually worship at the altar of SELF...so it means them, too...

Are the authors dumb, ignorant, or willfully deceptive??? Its one of the 3 for sure

Again, you arrogance on the subject is odd.
 
So let me get this straight.

As long as I have not attempted to wrong a Muslim they will not kill me no matter my religion?

If I have attempted to wrong a Muslim and I ask for asylum, they will indoctrinate me and allow me safe passage?

If I have attempted to wrong a Muslim and don’t ask for asylum, will they attempt to kill me?

Polytheist - Greek origins - multiple gods - own religions and rituals. They are okay to be killed as they are “devoid of knowledge”? If they do not pray to allah.

If I was to say Allah is a made up fool, would that be cause for death? If I were to say there is only one real god(jack daniels). Would this be cause for death?

Wrong button.
 
So you understand the Quran better than a devout muslim and Islamic scholar? I find your arrogance on this subject odd.


No, i dont believe the lies they are commanded to tell like you do.

You dont need to believe me. I didnt ask you to...i said to READ IT YOURSELF

It isnt filled with complex ideas, thoughts, or metaphor like the Bible. It is plain and blunt. They use very clear terms, and its very easy to understand. Educate yourself
 
Again, you arrogance on the subject is odd.

Again, pull your head out of your ass and quit believing articles by people who are commanded to lie to you.

The REAL ARROGANCE is you sttempting to tell me that i am wrong about a book that I HAVE read that you apparently HAVE NOT.
 
And by the way...youre supposedly a college educated lawyer getting your ass handed to you by a guy who dropped out junior year as soon as football ended and got a GED...

Define "idolator" in any possible way where when used by muslim it wouldnt include Jews and Christians? Counselor?
 
And by the way...youre supposedly a college educated lawyer getting your ass handed to you by a guy who dropped out junior year as soon as football ended and got a GED...

Define "idolator" in any possible way where when used by muslim it wouldnt include Jews and Christians? Counselor?
Hey did you hear about the white nationalist that killed 49 people? Did your god have anything to do with that?
 
No...did the guy ever even claim to be a Christian? Much less that God told him to do it?

The Bible says plainly that this world belongs to Satan, the father of lies. God intervenes here from time to time, we call them miracles. He also made Angels, just to help us , but a third of them fell with Lucifer. They are now demons, and war between demons and angels is waged all around us. The Bible says God shields us from seeing that carnage, because our minds cant handle it.

I would surmise that if any supernatural beings were involved in that massacre, it was demons. Just a guess though, and I dont really care honestly. Nothing that happens in a mosque will ever affect my faith.
 
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