White just admitted........

This fanbase needs to remember as well....
We are on the doorsteps of potential ncaa sanctions and a "homerun" hire is probably not going to risk coming here knowing potential bowl bans/scholarship reductions will be stacked up. It just doesnt make sense, especially given the nature of our coaching turnover which is averaging around 3 years

Most of the people who are upset or mad over this hire are probably the dolts who thought Lane was going to swing the double doors open and walk right back in (or insert fan fav dream coach).

And from the looks of it, the ones in front of Huepel probably turned the offer down.
I still think the biggest factor preventing us from getting a top Coach isn’t money, NCAA penalties, recruiting, or anything else other that the fact that the UT Administration will not agree to not micromanage and interfere in areas traditionally under the preview of the head coach. Until UT gives a coach assurances of hands off everything except for anything illegal or immoral, the very best will lot come here. No one at the top of the heap will settle for being dictated to about his job by functional idiots.
 
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CFO so take a seat.
CFO so take a seat.

If you're such a whizbang administrator, you should know better. I wouldn't call what Danny White or Heupel said as gaslighting. I might call it putting an entirely necessary positive spin on UT's dark mood. If one really wants to help the program , keep recruits, maintain morale, and have any hope of building a winning team, one needs to be supportive until said program results prove to be not worthy of support. For Christ's sake, the new guys just arrived in town.
 
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I think it's pretty safe to say that the probable hammer hanging over the program didn't help in discussions with those at the top of the list. It's a hole they dug for it and a reality on the hiring trail. I would think also that some of the risky hires may not have meshed with White's criteria - of which details are a guess on my part. So while it may have looked like there were a lot of options out there - reality says UT wasn't in the "position" to be very attractive.

The next couple of years will be lean, more than likely. Not sure any coach out there would be able to stem that, and the one's who could, weren't coming anyway. Hopefully they can use those early years to reinvent the program into something sustainable. Because I don't think expectations should be very high for outcomes on the field.
 
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If you're such a whizbang administrator, you should know better. I wouldn't call what Danny White or Heupel said as gaslighting. I might call it putting an entirely necessary positive spin on UT's dark mood. If one really wants to help the program , keep recruits, maintain morale, and have any hope of building a winning team, one needs to be supportive until said program results prove to be not worthy of support. For Christ's sake, the new guys just arrived in town.

You can be positive, get your message across, and not lie to customers. Lying to customers is a no no.
 
That he wasn't even considering Heupel for this job.

ESPN also reporting what most "insiders" were saying. We were flat rejected by all the coaches White thought were better than Heupel.

UCF's Heupel named Tennessee's next coach

Then tell me this.

Why did White say we got our number one pick all along? He definitely made it sound and be known that JH was our top and first choice and only offered the job to him and noone else.
 
You can be positive, get your message across, and not lie to customers. Lying to customers is a no no.
It's pure semantics. Very stupid and silly thing to worry about. Every single time we hire someone, hell any school hires someone, this is trotted out.
 
I'm saying they reach out to all the people they feel like they have a shot at and they would like to hire. When I do interviews at work I dont reach out to people that I dont want to hire. I certainly dont interview them. If you're being interviewed then they are interested in you, at least initially.

On that we agree. But both yourself and the media are pretending all of these people were “offered the job”. That’s much different. According to our AD he only offered 1 person
 
There's a point when a situation is too risky for guys who are "better than" a top tier mid-major coach. If he comes in and scores points.... just that... then it puts UT on the road to recovery.
You mean to tell me there is media manipulation. Someone should tell cnn
 
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On that we agree. But both yourself and the media are pretending all of these people were “offered the job”. That’s much different. According to our AD he only offered 1 person

When people say "offered the job" what they mean is UT went after them. They dont mean that a legal contract was placed in front of them.

Everyone generally agrees that only one coach will actually be given a contract to sign. But that's semantics that doesnt inform the reader about who the university tried to hire but got turned down before a contract was agreed to.
 
Then tell me this.

Why did White say we got our number one pick all along? He definitely made it sound and be known that JH was our top and first choice and only offered the job to him and noone else.

How many press conferences have you heard where the AD or GM says "well he wasn't our first choice, but he'll do"? Cmon man
 
When people say "offered the job" what they mean is UT went after them. They dont mean that a legal contract was placed in front of them.

Everyone generally agrees that only one coach will actually be given a contract to sign. But that's semantics that doesnt inform the reader about who the university tried to hire but got turned down before a contract was agreed to.

I’m not proclaiming they were given a contract but I am proclaiming your attempt to use “offered” and “contacted” interchangeably is absurd
 
I’m not proclaiming they were given a contract but I am proclaiming your attempt to use “offered” and “contacted” interchangeably is absurd

OK. That's fine if you want to be pedantic. My point is only that there was a sizable list of coaches that UT wanted and tried to offer the job to but they shut us out so they fell back to plan b,c,d,e and f and got Heupel.

If people just think about how absurd this hire was they would get it. If Heuple was going to be the coach from day 1 then it would have happened. We offered him entry-level money to come be UTs coach. That fact alone proves he wasn't sought after until the very end when all had failed. White's little dance around the obvious he did to try and smooth things over was admirable but you got to take that with a big chunk of salt. "I didn't want to steal Heupel away from UCF, but in the end I did it anyway" LOL OK dude whatever (eye roll)

If he truly believed Heupel was the #1 best fit for Tennessee he would have named him head coach Sunday and had the presser on Monday morning.
 
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OK. That's fine if you want to be pedantic. My point is only that there was a sizable list of coaches that UT wanted and tried to offer the job to but they shut us out so they fell back to plan b,c,d,e and f and got Heupel.

If people just think about how absurd this hire was they would get it. If Heuple was going to be the coach from day 1 then it would have happened. We offered him entry-level money to come be UTs coach. That fact alone proves he wasn't sought after until the very end when all had failed. White's little dance around the obvious he did to try and smooth things over was admirable but you got to take that with a big chunk of salt. "I didn't want to steal Heupel away from UCF, but in the end I did it anyway" LOL OK dude whatever (eye roll)

If he truly believed Heupel was the #1 best fit for Tennessee he would have named him head coach Sunday and had the presser on Monday morning.

Spoke to doesn’t mean “offered the job to”. Idk why you continue proclaiming they were “offered”
 
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I agree with the caveat that there WERE better coaches who wanted the job, but UT saw THEM as too risky. And we may very well end up suffering the consequences of that fear.

Or maybe saved us from terminal embarrassment if we hired one and they relapsed. Not many people recover from integrity deficiencies long term.
 
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Having listened to the press conference just now, after following the various reports from many sources over the past five days, here's what I honestly think happened:

1. Danny White thought James Franklin was the builder Tennessee needed. A guy who could, to repeat an analogy I've already used in another thread, jump into the driver's seat, figure out the quirks and oddities of this particular vehicle, then get the most out of it while negotiating the obstacles of sanctions and covid and whatever else. A lot of top-end coaches may not be able to adjust to rough situations and still thrive, but Franklin proved more than once he can. So White targeted him first.

2. Maybe Danny had another rebuild-capable experienced head coach in mind as well, but shifted his focus to Franklin after talking to our lads and finding out their druthers (the two most explicitly mentioned today were (a) want a coach who will have us competing immediately, not years in the future, and (b) want an offensive-minded coach who will play the most modern version of the game). So maybe Franklin wasn't alone at the top of White's list until he talked to the players, but then he was because he fit their desires as well.

3. Simultaneously, I think Danny had Elliott in mind. For some of the same reasons, particularly the wide-open offensive focus. Lower priority than Franklin because (a) not a head coach and (b) not tested as a rebuilder. But still highly thought of, and probably the #2 choice.

4. But Danny kept pushing on Franklin, for three and a half long days. Toward the end, he probably started to realize Franklin was likely never going to say yes. So probably on Monday and into Tuesday, he was working both Franklin and Elliott equally hard. At some point it shifted to just Elliott.

5. But then, maybe sitting in his office late one night (this would be Sunday night or Monday night) with his bloodshot eyes closed and a strong desire to lay down on his couch and sleep for an hour or two, he probably had an epiphany. And it probably went something like this: "I'm killing myself and running my staff ragged here, trying to get Franklin or Elliott, but what the heck? Josh Heupel is a head coach, he's an offensive mind, he may not yet have been challenged with building through a complex set of circumstances, but he's bright enough to do that, too. Why am I busting my butt when I've got this excellent option right at my fingertips?"

6. Now, was that an accurate assessment on his part? Was it the lack of sleep over the past 3-4 days? Some combination of both? Don't know. But White pretty much admitted in today's press conference to having that kind of "eureka" moment (I don't know if it was in his office or on an airplane, late at night or in the middle of the day; I added those bits for dramatic effect).

7. What about the other guys? What about Fickell and Dykes, and maybe even Campbell (though he went unnamed)? I'd guess Danny White never met with any of them face-to-face, the way he did with Franklin, Elliott, and Heupel. Phone calls, maybe facetiming/video conference calls/something along those lines. But those conversations probably never got far enough to involve face-to-face handshakes or discussion of specifics.

That's how I think it probably played out. We may learn details to correct parts of it as sources begin to leak in coming days and weeks.

Go Vols!
I would just add that White's confidence was probably boosted since he has built Athletic Departments and knows how to create an environment where a HC has his best chances for success.

I told people a while back that Campbell likes Ames. He may eventually move but he seems to like the situation he has there. He gets great support and nowhere near the pressure. They're tickled to be competing for the Big 12 now.

I'm not sure how truly serious it got with Fickle or some of the others.
 
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I believe he was serious in hiring another coach but he was hampered. He has few choices even if a couple guys gave him a wink and a nod. In the end the agents did their thing, some coaches probably gained leverage for their current position and some turned us down. The ole "we made just one offer" bit is tired. The ole "he was our number 1 candidate" is also tired. That's BS. Everyone who pays attention knows how this stuff works. He only made one offer to the coach he knew would accept. He was the number 1 candidate because the list was whittled down leaving only Josh Heupel in the number 1 spot. Nobody believes those tired excuses. He has to say it though, no choice.
 
So an AD just hired from UCF just hired his coach from the same school because "no one else" would consider the job?

Is this what just transpired?
 
Spoke to doesn’t mean “offered the job to”. Idk why you continue proclaiming they were “offered”
I keep saying UT wanted to hire other coaches. Better coaches. That's all. They offered the job to only one because the others refused to come here. The terminology is way beside the point.
 
I keep saying UT wanted to hire other coaches. Better coaches. That's all. They offered the job to only one because the others refused to come here. The terminology is way beside the point.

You don’t know that. You know they spoke to other coaches. Anytime you hire someone, you speak to more than one person even if you know who you want.
 
Then tell me this.

Why did White say we got our number one pick all along? He definitely made it sound and be known that JH was our top and first choice and only offered the job to him and noone else.
I would assume that there is a kabuki dance in these negotiations to protect both parties' image.

"Would you be interested in a job like this one?" " I don't know. If someone with my resume was interested, what do you think it would pay." "With incentives, someone like you might make north of 6M" "I might be interested at 8M but I don't think I would be interested in a job like yours for 6M. But thanks for your interest."

No offer no refusal both sides move forward.
 
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