Where there's smoke there's fire?

#276
#276
Vols_14 said:
My first call is to Chip Kelly, my next call is to Bobby Petrino, my third call is to Dan Mullen. Those are the only 3 options
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However keep in mind that We are TENNESSEE!...UT don't make calls to those type of coaches..UT make calls to coaches at Mississippi valley st or Texas san Antonio and make them sound like they are going to take us to the top of the mountain in reality they are just putting a band aid on the program as they have done for the past 9 years now knowing the fans will still buy the tickets so the revenue keeps coming in while the new coach loses games and makes excuses but keeps the fans spirits up and keeps them believing in them until they run out of gas and they get canned and the process restarts itself all over again...I've seen this movie before, Way too many times...But the revenue is still coming in and the money is stacking up...As it always has and that is all they care about.
 
#277
#277
My list:

1. Jon Gruden (yeah, he won't, but have to make the call anyway)
2. Dan Mullen
3. Bob Stoops
4. Chip Kelly
5. Bobby Petrino
6. Tee Martin
7. Justin Fuente
 
#278
#278
IF the powers that be determine that Butch is not the answer, they do not need to drag their feet. They need to be at the front of the line...if we wait until the end of the season, then we will be one of many shopping for a coach. Best to be first in line than in the pond with everyone else.
 
#279
#279
willinhf said:
IF the powers that be determine that Butch is not the answer, they do not need to drag their feet. They need to be at the front of the line...if we wait until the end of the season, then we will be one of many shopping for a coach. Best to be first in line than in the pond with everyone else.
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We're not going to fire him 3 games into the season at 2-1. Good lord! Also, firing Butch at this point in the season doesn't put us "first in line" for anyone because a coaching hire isn't going to be made until the end of the year anyway. Whether he's let go now or in December, it doesn't change anything as far as who we get to replace him.
 
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#285
#285
Butch has to go. I'm glad all but the most servile catamites among us are finally taking their naked lunch and warming up to that idea.

Its not just the unforgiveable records against muschamp 0-3, Vandy 2-2, Florida 1-3, Bama 0-4, 14-19 against SEC opponents, 4-17 against teams in the top 25, and 1-17 against ranked opponents on the road.

Before you ask, this is only stats accumulated at Tennessee, and doesnt include the spanking by Derek Dooley.

Its not just the dumb, dumb things he says. "The champions of life" the "we're 1-0 this week" "we're 17-4", "takes 7 years to build a successful program". The classic over-explaining, and defensive excuse making that insults the intelligence of not only the entire college football world, but vols fans more than anyone; because we are asked to believe, to embrace the manipulations of truth, of what we see and know, and get drawn into the Butchisms designed only to allow him (and us) to escape the realities of him and his results.

Hes attempted to control the narrative to point thats unhealthy for us all. Especially since the crash the crash back down to reality can be more devastating, more painful, you feel like a sucker, a fool and outrage is only natural. This is what we feel, on those glimpses, at Florida, Vandy, South Carolina, Bama, when we peel the caul away and see the red faced imposter for what he truly is.

The saddest thing is the outside world kind of knew it all along, eyed us with a speculative sympathy as we drank Mr. Jones Poisonous Kool-Aid, sometimes they laugh, sometimes they feel sorry for us, our innocence and ignorance. Poor poor suffering Tennessee they say. But they knew. Just check the myriad of tweets, and national media articles from the past few seasons. Find the positive ones, and the negative ones about Butch and our program. Now arrange them like a won/loss record. Chances are its way worse than 4-17.

And thats the culmination of Butch Jones era here. The talent rose appreciably but our "Q rating" never did, Butch is a joke, Tennessee is a joke, and unfortunately the joke is on us.

I had my naked lunch saturday night when amidst being bombarded by the media and twitter jabs, hooks, and punchlines I suddenly realized, "Memphis beat #25 UCLA in exciting fashion, looked great doing it, Vandy smacked #18 Kansas State, putting the college football world on notice...OMG we ARE the the third best team in the state of Tennessee."

I believe that too. Right now today, our team would lose to both or either one. Its that simple. Thanks Butch.
 
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#286
#286
I have learned over the years to control your emotions after a loss. Give yourself a day or so to sleep on it and consider what happened before you open your mouth and remove all doubt that you are unrealistic. This is what I see:

1. We have a football team that has some talent and seems to have really bought in to what this staff is teaching them. They play hard! I like that most of all about this team. They have the heart of a champion!
2. This staff is not perfect. I don't know any staff that has all of their fan base agreeing with everything that they do. Ex. I don't understand why we line up in the shot gun on the goal line instead of under center. That doesn't mean that I am right, it just means that I would do it different. I remember that Florida used to do the same thing with Tebow. I guess it worked out pretty good for them.
3. Tennessee fans are passionate. Many times to a fault! We want to win and win big! I have no problem with that. The problem is that many times we destroy our team from the outside because we influence other fans and then eventually our players from supporting our coaches. That's a no win proposition.
4. When you get everybody on the same wave length, athletics is a source of pride for a school, a community, and a state. Our players, our coaches, and our fans are not there yet. I have always believed that when you loose, it shows that improvement is needed by the players, coaches, and fans. I see many fans that don't think they have anything to do with a loss. I wonder what our players really feel about the Tennessee fan support this morning. I know that they hear and read articles and see a lot on social media from a lot of people that don't support their head coach. This is the same guy that they are expected to listen to and follow his directions to get back to winning next Saturday. The funny thing is, we expect them to win under those conditions.
5. I just know that I love my school and I am going to cheer for them regardless of who the coach is and what the team record is. If you are a real Tennessee fan, you need to get off of the HATE bandwagon and get back to supporting your team and your coaches! We can see what needs to be done after the season is over. We don't expect the team or the coaches to quit on us. Then, we can't quit on them! Go Big Orange!!!
 
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#287
#287
EZE said:
Times have indeed changed. There are no longer just 10-15 marquee jobs anymore. Schools like TCU and MSU are paying 5 million per year.

UT is so far behind not only in head coach salary, but also assistants, that it shouldn't be hard to see why we can't compete at the highest level. You want to know why we have Larry Scott for an OC. It is because Butch didn't have 1+ million to spend on that position.

Money talks. And right now UT's bullsh!t walks. We are way behind the times.
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Or because Butch won't give up full control of the offense and the good OC's weren't going to come to be a pupet.
 
#288
#288
vol-un-tear said:
Sounds like immature BS to me. Byrd is Scotts recruit. JG and his parents always showed love to Jones. Wiggins can't crack the starting line up. Peyton Manning is not one to run away from this. Especially since he never beat Florida. Oh well
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JG's mom has been subtweeting and RT'ing things during games that make it clear she is NOT happy about her son being on the bench. I tend to give immediate family members a pass on things they do, because of the strong emotional attachment to their kid/sibling/etc, but she's crossed the line IMO to being pretty hostile. I should note I didn't look during the FLA game, so she may have reined it in or something. Not saying this bash her at all, just adding it since you said her parents always show love to Jones.

Also, on the screenshot that was posted, the main thing I hope is true in it is that CBJ is no longer safe at 8 wins. That would be big news if accurate.
 
#289
#289
Booker512 said:
Well if Manning isn't on your side....yikes.

That is not a good. Currie has already shown he will axe a coach.

Call Dan Mullen. Make him say no. Give him full power to hire staff. Try to keep Gillespie.

Little weird saying Wiggins is gone? Where's he gonna go? He's a 5th year transfer. Just quit all together?
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Thats how you know its a load of sh*t.
 
#290
#290
Smokey 77 said:
I have learned over the years to control your emotions after a loss. Give yourself a day or so to sleep on it and consider what happened before you open your mouth and remove all doubt that you are unrealistic. This is what I see:

1. We have a football team that has some talent and seems to have really bought in to what this staff is teaching them. They play hard! I like that most of all about this team. They have the heart of a champion!
2. This staff is not perfect.
3. If any of the above changes or gets worse, its the fans fault.
4. The fans are truly to blame, cause they have more influence on players than anyone. Players and recruits, never watch SEC Network or ESPN, They disregard USA Today and all printed media, knowing that they are vol haters and jealous of this special, wonderful thing we got going with the bricks, and the life champions, and best staff in america. The multitude of mockery from the Associated Press, and former players coaches and professional analysts means nothing to the vol players and potential recruits....THE ONLY THING they care about, the only possible way to get in their heads, and derail the entire program, and its foreseeable future is if Darrell Maness from Bucksnort, who drives a gravel truck, Or Bill Blankenship from Tullahoma, retired assistant box folder at the cardboard factory, or Casey Blackstock from Butthole Bend TN, or any other anonymous faceless fans get negative or point out deficiencies in coaching or play. That just devastates the players feelings and they cant go on. Even the NFL will suffer from this butterfly effect of a redneck flapping his gums on Vol Calls. So dont even think about it buster.
5. I'm a good fan, better than you. Heck i even was back in 2012, when yall were ruining Dooley's chances of bringing home a natty.
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I think i understand now.
 
#291
#291
Smokey 77 said:
I have learned over the years to control your emotions after a loss. Give yourself a day or so to sleep on it and consider what happened before you open your mouth and remove all doubt that you are unrealistic. This is what I see:

1. We have a football team that has some talent and seems to have really bought in to what this staff is teaching them. They play hard! I like that most of all about this team. They have the heart of a champion!
2. This staff is not perfect. I don't know any staff that has all of their fan base agreeing with everything that they do. Ex. I don't understand why we line up in the shot gun on the goal line instead of under center. That doesn't mean that I am right, it just means that I would do it different. I remember that Florida used to do the same thing with Tebow. I guess it worked out pretty good for them.
3. Tennessee fans are passionate. Many times to a fault! We want to win and win big! I have no problem with that. The problem is that many times we destroy our team from the outside because we influence other fans and then eventually our players from supporting our coaches. That's a no win proposition.
4. When you get everybody on the same wave length, athletics is a source of pride for a school, a community, and a state. Our players, our coaches, and our fans are not there yet. I have always believed that when you loose, it shows that improvement is needed by the players, coaches, and fans. I see many fans that don't think they have anything to do with a loss. I wonder what our players really feel about the Tennessee fan support this morning. I know that they hear and read articles and see a lot on social media from a lot of people that don't support their head coach. This is the same guy that they are expected to listen to and follow his directions to get back to winning next Saturday. The funny thing is, we expect them to win under those conditions.
5. I just know that I love my school and I am going to cheer for them regardless of who the coach is and what the team record is. If you are a real Tennessee fan, you need to get off of the HATE bandwagon and get back to supporting your team and your coaches! We can see what needs to be done after the season is over. We don't expect the team or the coaches to quit on us. Then, we can't quit on them! Go Big Orange!!!
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lol
 
#292
#292
Smokey 77 said:
" We can see what needs to be done after the season is over". We don't expect the team or the coaches to quit on us. Then, we can't quit on them! Go Big Orange!!!
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Is that kind of like reading the healthcare bill to find out what's in it, after it is passed?
 
#293
#293
ShoalCreekVol said:
JG's mom has been subtweeting and RT'ing things during games that make it clear she is NOT happy about her son being on the bench. I tend to give immediate family members a pass on things they do, because of the strong emotional attachment to their kid/sibling/etc, but she's crossed the line IMO to being pretty hostile. I should note I didn't look during the FLA game, so she may have reined it in or something. Not saying this bash her at all, just adding it since you said her parents always show love to Jones.

Also, on the screenshot that was posted, the main thing I hope is true in it is that CBJ is no longer safe at 8 wins. That would be big news if accurate.
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JG needs to work on his passing or he will be sitting anywhere he goes. He did not look good at all throwing the ball against Indy State.

Dormady has his deficiencies, too, but right now he is a better option than JG.

Rather than mope and whine, the kid should work to get better.
 
#294
#294
WooleyDooley2010 said:
1. Bob Stoops
2. Dan Mullen
3. Justin Fuente
4. Tee Martin
5. Brent Venables
6. Mike Norvell


Are there other names? Sure. But these are realistic candidates who would be available and maybe willing to come to Knoxville. Stoops is a reach I know but he is currently not coaching anywhere and has SEC ties. Our luck though McElwain is canned and Bob heads back to Gainesville.
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If you hire Brent Venables then Bob Kesling will be calling him Brent Variables every week so he is out.
 
#295
#295
EZE said:
JG needs to work on his passing or he will be sitting anywhere he goes. He did not look good at all throwing the ball against Indy State.

Dormady has his deficiencies, too, but right now he is a better option than JG.

Rather than mope and whine, the kid should work to get better.
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JG has been out of high school for going on two years now. The only game speed (and it is different) he has seen in those two years is against Indy State. Anybody under these conditions would have looked rusty. Dormady has played three games now and still seems to be having a difficult time adjusting to game speed.
 
#296
#296
DaUndergroundMan said:
Butch has to go. I'm glad all but the most servile catamites among us are finally taking their naked lunch and warming up to that idea.

Its not just the unforgiveable records against muschamp 0-3, Vandy 2-2, Florida 1-3, Bama 0-4, 14-19 against SEC opponents, 4-17 against teams in the top 25, and 1-17 against ranked opponents on the road.

Before you ask, this is only stats accumulated at Tennessee, and doesnt include the spanking by Derek Dooley.

Its not just the dumb, dumb things he says. "The champions of life" the "we're 1-0 this week" "we're 17-4", "takes 7 years to build a successful program". The classic over-explaining, and defensive excuse making that insults the intelligence of not only the entire college football world, but vols fans more than anyone; because we are asked to believe, to embrace the manipulations of truth, of what we see and know, and get drawn into the Butchisms designed only to allow him (and us) to escape the realities of him and his results.

Hes attempted to control the narrative to point thats unhealthy for us all. Especially since the crash the crash back down to reality can be more devastating, more painful, you feel like a sucker, a fool and outrage is only natural. This is what we feel, on those glimpses, at Florida, Vandy, South Carolina, Bama, when we peel the caul away and see the red faced imposter for what he truly is.

The saddest thing is the outside world kind of knew it all along, eyed us with a speculative sympathy as we drank Mr. Jones Poisonous Kool-Aid, sometimes they laugh, sometimes they feel sorry for us, our innocence and ignorance. Poor poor suffering Tennessee they say. But they knew. Just check the myriad of tweets, and national media articles from the past few seasons. Find the positive ones, and the negative ones about Butch and our program. Now arrange them like a won/loss record. Chances are its way worse than 4-17.

And thats the culmination of Butch Jones era here. The talent rose appreciably but our "Q rating" never did, Butch is a joke, Tennessee is a joke, and unfortunately the joke is on us.

I had my naked lunch saturday night when amidst being bombarded by the media and twitter jabs, hooks, and punchlines I suddenly realized, "Memphis beat #25 UCLA in exciting fashion, looked great doing it, Vandy smacked #18 Kansas State, putting the college football world on notice...OMG we ARE the the third best team in the state of Tennessee."

I believe that too. Right now today, our team would lose to both or either one. Its that simple. Thanks Butch.
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Re: The talent rose appreciably

I just can't help but go back, and think how a SEC hc can acquire all of this talent, in 5 (or 4?) recruiting cycles, with a mere 14-19 SEC record.

Then, I remember this:

“Kids judge you by your car, ... “It’s crazy.”

“It’s crazy, but that’s the world we live in, selling (and) trying to create those impressions,” Jones told the Knoxville News Sentinel. “So that’s very important.”

Am I reading that correctly: "selling (and) trying to create those impressions," ?? I guess that was the emphasis.

As a Tennessee fan, 14-19 is more (un) impressive to me, than a fancy sports car.

Oh well.

https://www.seccountry.com/tennesse...drives-220000-foreign-car-to-impress-recruits
Report: Tennessee’s Butch Jones drives $220,000 foreign car to impress recruits
 
#297
#297
I can assure you that if there is unrest at a high level within some of the individuals behind the scenes. How far does it go and at what ultimate conclusion? I can't answer those questions and I don't know that anyone can outside of the AD. This is just my personal opinion but a coach's lifespan in the SEC hasn't been great recently so 5-6 years is pretty reasonable. I don't believe CBJ will be the coach here in 2020 unless he greatly improves his SEC record and if that is truly the case then why hang on for 2 more years if the ultimate decision is he isn't the right man to get UT to the next level? A smaller payout? Maybe. More stability in an otherwise unstable profession especially at UT over the last decade or so? Maybe. I hope he can succeed at UT but there hasn't been much growth in terms of his in-game decision making in 5 years so there isn't much hope that he would change in 5 more years. He has been a head coach for a decade at some point the UT administration is going to have to come to terms that he is not the long term answer.
 
#298
#298
UT-Rex said:
Re: The talent rose appreciably

I just can't help but go back, and think how a SEC hc can acquire all of this talent, in 5 (or 4?) recruiting cycles, with a mere 14-19 SEC record.

Then, I remember this:

“Kids judge you by your car, ... “It’s crazy.”

“It’s crazy, but that’s the world we live in, selling (and) trying to create those impressions,” Jones told the Knoxville News Sentinel. “So that’s very important.”

Am I reading that correctly: "selling (and) trying to create those impressions," ?? I guess that was the emphasis.

As a Tennessee fan, 14-19 is more (un) impressive to me, than a fancy sports car.

Oh well.

https://www.seccountry.com/tennesse...drives-220000-foreign-car-to-impress-recruits
Report: Tennessee’s Butch Jones drives $220,000 foreign car to impress recruits
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Yeah and he collects rare and expensive wristwatches too. Just goes to show what a complete salesman he is, and nothing more.

My father was a salesman of sorts in the 80's drove and collected luxury cars he drove and dressed almost beyond his means. He explained, "The most important thing you are selling is yourself, and your own success, thats how you build the confidence in buyers, what you are selling is almost secondary. They trust a man wearing a rolex and $1300 italian loafers to make only good, profitable deals." He had so many little tricks like never letting a prospective client see him drive the same car twice, and would constantly buy trade sell and borrow cars in order to fulfill his high roller image.

He reminds me so much of Butch Jones. Both lacking actual substance to back up their glorious sales pitches.
 
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