Where did our down fall begin.

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Lets just all get together and drink red cool aid with arsenic in it. The world is not over, yet. It will be ok it will. I know waiting suxs, but it will. VFL!!!!
 
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When they built that new Krispy Kreme on Cumberland Avenue in 2002. Phil was never the same after that. Sugar rushes in the morning followed by increasingly extended crashes leading to four hour afternoon naps.
 
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Cartervol said:
When they hired Hamilton. Phil put it on cruise control and was basically untouchable at that point. Getting raises every year for failure didn't help either. This downfall came from within.
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What year did they hire Hamilton?
 
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allvols4life said:
Doug Dickey retired and was replaced with Mike Hammilton that marks the begining of our torment! Imho.
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Exactly. You don't blame the assembly line workers when a factory goes belly up. The coaches, recruiting and other junk are all symptoms of the disease. The problem was a lack of strong leadership within the AD and a lack of holding the AD accountable for so long. Leadership starts at the top.
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VolFan37323 said:
Does anybody really know where our down fall begin. It's like after the 2007 SEC championship game we literally forgot how to play offense. It's like it just happened in the blink of an eye and really so fast that I don't think anybody really know what went wrong.
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Witch Doctor say its hard to say but close to when GOVOLSXTRA and some other boards went live Witch Doctor say its gave the gloom and doom people a place to live. lol
BNL
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Exactly. You don't blame the assembly line workers when a factory goes belly up. The coaches, recruiting and other junk are all symptoms of the disease. The problem was a lack of strong leadership within the AD and a lack of holding the AD accountable for so long. Leadership starts at the top.
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so you did not support MH's decisions regarding the football program? Describing Fulmer & co as simply "assembly line workers" is dishonest at best
 
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Cartervol said:
When they hired Hamilton. Phil put it on cruise control and was basically untouchable at that point. Getting raises every year for failure didn't help either. This downfall came from within.
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It's amazing how many people can't see how important the AD position is. When I read fans on this site stating the issues started by players, coaching decisions or recruits not coming here etc it makes me realize how far from reality many people live their lives.
You are spot on sir.
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VolBeef88 said:
It's amazing how many people can't see how important the AD position is. When I read fans on this site stating the issues started by players, coaching decisions or recruits not coming here etc it makes me realize how far from reality many people live their lives.
You are spot on sir.
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When Phil was basically running a hire Mike Hamilton campaign i knew it was bad news. There wasn't anyone to hold Phil to any kind of standard at that point and it all started going downhill from there. I saw it coming very early in the process.
 
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utvolpj said:
so you did not support MH's decisions regarding the football program? Describing Fulmer & co as simply "assembly line workers" is dishonest at best
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I thought it was time for Fulmer to go. But MH handled it terribly and then made back to back bad hires. He was viewed weak from within the department and is one of the worst AD I can ever remember watching.
And surely you get my point. The leadership starts at the top and ultimately the blame goes to MH.
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VolBeef88 said:
I thought it was time for Fulmer to go.
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and when did you start thinking this?

VolBeef88 said:
But MH handled it terribly and then made back to back bad hires. He was viewed weak from within the department and is one of the worst AD I can ever remember watching.
And surely you get my point. The leadership starts at the top and ultimately the blame goes to MH.
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no, the blame for poor on-the-field football goes to the coach. You can blame the AD for not getting rid of him fast enough but you can't blame him for the piss poor coaching and recruiting. That's on your boy
 
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Fulmer should have got one more season to see if he still had the fire, he probably didn't but I think he deserved another year. Hiring the lame train didn't help, he's a good coach but a snake. Maybe if we made a better hire then we would be in much better shape. That being said I believe were going in the right direction with talent and depth. We'll see what the coaches can do this coming season with what we have
 
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There have been several factors, the ones I agree with the most:

-recruiting became relaxed and focused on 5 stars not need, circa 2000-2002

-falling apart in the '01 SEC championship

-Chavis not being held accountable for the few losses incurred between 99-03, most of which were the direct result of late game defensive meltdowns

-Simms committing, then decommitting and signing with TX

-Randy Sanders and Fulmer letting the offensive evolution of college football pass them by

-top notch recruits came in, but never developed into top notch players, leading to top notch recruits going elsewhere

-Eric Ainge never getting the chance to be the QB, always looking over his shoulder to see who was coming in: first Schaeffer, then Rick Clausen, then Crompton

-Fulmer not being held accountable in the mid-00's when a decline was already evident and instead receiving raises after brief returns to competitiveness (2004, 2007)

-the power struggle between Fulmer and Clawson over how the offense should be run

-Lane Kiffin resigning and the subsequent penalties left and recruits he took with him
 
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Great2BeATnVOL said:
You do realize that the same retards on these boards that were trying to bring the ax down on Fulmer are now doing the same **** to Dooley?!?!?!?

You know why we're in the position we're in?!?!?!? Because we fired Fulmer. Don't **** up again you morons.
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Kharma is a beach! :rock:
 
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utvolpj said:
and when did you start thinking this?



no, the blame for poor on-the-field football goes to the coach. You can blame the AD for not getting rid of him fast enough but you can't blame him for the piss poor coaching and recruiting. That's on your boy
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Who is my boy?
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utvolpj said:
and when did you start thinking this?



no, the blame for poor on-the-field football goes to the coach. You can blame the AD for not getting rid of him fast enough but you can't blame him for the piss poor coaching and recruiting. That's on your boy
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Who is my boy?

And of course on the field play and recruiting is on the staff. But who is responsible for holding the coach accountable?
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VolBeef88 said:
Who is my boy?

And of course on the field play and recruiting is on the staff. But who is responsible for holding the coach accountable?
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how long did you defend Fulmer? You're deflecting criticism of him onto MH. Hamilton deserves some but not all of the blame. The downhill slide started before he was even AD
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I thought it was time for Fulmer to go. But MH handled it terribly and then made back to back bad hires. He was viewed weak from within the department and is one of the worst AD I can ever remember watching.
And surely you get my point. The leadership starts at the top and ultimately the blame goes to MH.
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IMHO, it goes up further. There has been very little leadership and stability with the University President over the same time period. Hopefully we have that taken care of now, but it starts with the "Tone at the top".
 
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utvolpj said:
how long did you defend Fulmer? You're deflecting criticism of him onto MH. Hamilton deserves some but not all of the blame. The downhill slide started before he was even AD
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I stand behind my statements that a coach that wins a national title and who at the time was winning 10 games per year deserved a chance to fix things after his 1st losing season. I've had staff members my self that were top notch and slid. I give them a shot to correct things before I let them go. I meet with them and explain what is expected then hold them to it. I don't give them a raise and not hold them accountable like MH did.
You not being able to comprehend that is on you not me.
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67volbabygirl said:
IMHO, it goes up further. There has been very little leadership and stability with the University President over the same time period. Hopefully we have that taken care of now, but it starts with the "Tone at the top".
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That's what I stated in my first post in this thread.
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The two best answers I've seen are the 2001 SEC CG or the day Hamilton was hired. Hard to decide between those two. If Hamilton had not been hired, perhaps the downhill rollercoaster could've been corrected.
 
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volfanatic74 said:
2001 SEC Championship, halftime. And not only did the wheels fall off, we can't find the damned things!
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have no idea how or even why this question gets asked so much but this is the obvious answer.
Sure there were some solid seasons between then and now but they were typically sandwiched between mediocre to bad.
 
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