Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?

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#2,627
Orangeslice13 said:
So.....in Rev 5 God is on the throne. Everyone is sad because nobody can open the scroll. Then in walks God. Now everyone is happy because God on the throne says that God who just walked in is worthy to open the scroll. So God takes the scroll from Gods hand. Then God opens the scroll reads it and takes his rightful seat at the right hand of himself.

Or......

As Jesus said. Jesus is not God because he has a God.
John 20:17.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


^^^^^^^^^^Jesus has a God.


Now if Jesus is God then why does he submit himself to himself when all things are finished?

1 cor 15.

then the culmination, when he hands over the Kingdom to God the Father, after having put an end to every rulership, yes, to every authority and power. 25 For he has to rule until he puts all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be done away with will be death, 27 for "He put everything in subjection under his feet."m But when it says that "everything" has been subjected, obviously the word does not include God, who is himself the one subjecting everything to the Messiah. 28 Now when everything has been subjected to the Son, then he will subject himself to God, who subjected everything to him; so that God may be everything in everyone.

Read 28 carefully.
God and the Son are not the same being.


There is one G-d and one Lord Yeshua the Messiah whom G-d sent.
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That is easy, the Holy Trinity of God.
Hebrews 1:4-10 (KJV)
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
:hi:
1 John 5:7-8 (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
 
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BigO95 said:
That ark is an amazing sight to behold. :good!:
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Awfully gay, isn't it?
Rainbow-Ark-Ham-TW.jpg
 
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BigO95 said:
Nope, that rainbow is a sign of Gods promise to never flood the world with a world wide flood again. God has been faithful to his promise as he is with all his promises.
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Nope, this is from the gay pride night that occurred earlier this year. It was reported that Mr Ham found that bananas weren't the only thing that fit his hand and mouth perfectly.
 
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Septic said:
Nope, this is from the gay pride night that occurred earlier this year. It was reported that Mr Ham found that bananas weren't the only thing that fit his hand and mouth perfectly.
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Septic, you should repent before its too late. Jesus will save you if you will bow your stubborn will and call out for mercy.
Romans 10:9-13 (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 5:6-10 (KJV)
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 
#2,636
#2,636
BigO95 said:
That is easy, the Holy Trinity of God.
Hebrews 1:4-10 (KJV)
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
:hi:
1 John 5:7-8 (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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So much wrong in one post.
And writing big doesn’t change it.

One question

Jesus says that you can be one with God just like he is one with God.


Are you God too?


I know you won’t answer
Just post more out of context scripture and ignore the scripture that proves your position wrong.
 
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#2,637
#2,637
Ask yourself what is the context of Hebrews that you blew up?
Then ask yourself if it’s possible he’s quoting something. Maybe Psalms 45.



So Paul out of context appears to say the son is God and the son says he has a God.


Who do you believe?

Paul or Messiah?
 
#2,638
#2,638
I’m done with this.
No more pearls before the swine.


I’m out unless some of you heathers want to talk the science of evolution / origins of life
 
#2,640
#2,640
As a fellow RNJ late to the conversation I would like to add that we are to have faith in the written word. The Bible clearly states the creation events. To me, it's no different than believing the virgin birth or the resurrection. You either have faith, or you do not.

I understand that's not good enough for many and that's ok. We all have a choice.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
So.....in Rev 5 God is on the throne. Everyone is sad because nobody can open the scroll. Then in walks God. Now everyone is happy because God on the throne says that God who just walked in is worthy to open the scroll. So God takes the scroll from Gods hand. Then God opens the scroll reads it and takes his rightful seat at the right hand of himself.

Or......

As Jesus said. Jesus is not God because he has a God.
John 20:17.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


^^^^^^^^^^Jesus has a God.


Now if Jesus is God then why does he submit himself to himself when all things are finished?

1 cor 15.

then the culmination, when he hands over the Kingdom to God the Father, after having put an end to every rulership, yes, to every authority and power. 25 For he has to rule until he puts all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be done away with will be death, 27 for "He put everything in subjection under his feet."m But when it says that "everything" has been subjected, obviously the word does not include God, who is himself the one subjecting everything to the Messiah. 28 Now when everything has been subjected to the Son, then he will subject himself to God, who subjected everything to him; so that God may be everything in everyone.

Read 28 carefully.
God and the Son are not the same being.


There is one G-d and one Lord Yeshua the Messiah whom G-d sent.
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You do know most Christians believe in a dual nature of Jesus. Fully human, fully divine.

The whole God vs father is a red herring. Jesus uses both interchangeably. He even instructs us to call God "father" when we clearly aren't directly descended from God as he is.
 
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#2,642
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Wishbone said:
As a fellow RNJ late to the conversation I would like to add that we are to have faith in the written word. The Bible clearly states the creation events. To me, it's no different than believing the virgin birth or the resurrection. You either have faith, or you do not.

I understand that's not good enough for many and that's ok. We all have a choice.
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Well said! :hi:
 
#2,643
#2,643
Orangeslice13 said:
So much wrong in one post.
And writing big doesn’t change it.

One question

Jesus says that you can be one with God just like he is one with God.


Are you God too?


I know you won’t answer
Just post more out of context scripture and ignore the scripture that proves your position wrong.
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That does not make you a God [Deity]. We are made partaker of his divine nature when we are born again and receive the Spirit of God. Also we become the bride of Christ when we are birthed into the church, but not Deity, that job is already taken. :)
 
#2,644
#2,644
BigO95 said:
Septic, you should repent before its too late. Jesus will save you if you will bow your stubborn will and call out for mercy.
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A Christian threatening an atheist with hell is like a hippy threatening to punch my aura. - Josh Thomas - Michael Scott
 
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#2,645
Orangeslice13 said:
Ask yourself what is the context of Hebrews that you blew up?
Then ask yourself if it’s possible he’s quoting something. Maybe Psalms 45.



So Paul out of context appears to say the son is God and the son says he has a God.


Who do you believe?

Paul or Messiah?
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Psalm 45:6-7 (KJV)
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
This helps your argument how? :blink:
please elaborate on the context:popcorn:
 
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#2,647
#2,647
LouderVol said:
Copies from when? Moses? Noah? You didn't start writing is down until halfway thru your history.
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Your ADD is being a problem today. Please focus.
If you’re a Christian then it’s our history. Christians are grafted into the promise of Abraham. Remember? Your response was to a comment I made about accuracy. Furthermore as a religious guy you’re now arguing against the validity of your own religion.


Back to accuracy. the earlist copies of Torah are exactly the same as what exists now. That cannot be said about the New Testament. With the New Testament we have many copies of books from the 1st century but there are numerous additions that appear in our bibles. A lot of these additions can’t be found until the 4th and 5th centuries. So if we’re going to seek what the original author intended we should go with what is said in the copies closest to them.

My argument isn’t with the validity of scripture. I believe it can be found. My argument is with the accuracy of the current bible.
 
#2,648
#2,648
Wishbone said:
As a fellow RNJ late to the conversation I would like to add that we are to have faith in the written word. The Bible clearly states the creation events. To me, it's no different than believing the virgin birth or the resurrection. You either have faith, or you do not.

I understand that's not good enough for many and that's ok. We all have a choice.
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Apparently those creations events are so clear because we’re having this discussion
 
#2,649
#2,649
LouderVol said:
You do know most Christians believe in a dual nature of Jesus. Fully human, fully divine.

The whole God vs father is a red herring. Jesus uses both interchangeably. He even instructs us to call God "father" when we clearly aren't directly descended from God as he is.
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You’re on to something here.
There is a difference between divinity and deity.
And you just argued my point for 2 separate beings threw descendent.
Louder is on fire
 
#2,650
#2,650
BigO95 said:
That does not make you a God [Deity]. We are made partaker of his divine nature when we are born again and receive the Spirit of God. Also we become the bride of Christ when we are birthed into the church, but not Deity, that job is already taken. :)
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Deflection without an answer.

Jesus said that he was one with G-d.
You said that makes him G-d
Jesus said you and I could be one with G-d just like he is.
Does that mean you’re G-d too?
 
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