Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?


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You really have to twist the meaning of your previous questions to come out with that interpretation. I'm not even sure that's a plausible interpretation given how direct of a question it seemed, especially given the context of our argument.

Regardless, we both know I already answered your question. I'll restate it again though. The idea of more than one being that is pure actuality is impossible as that would mean one being would have a "feature" that must distinguish it from the other being. That feature would mean the being that lacks said feature is not actually pure actuality (read: God) as it has an unrealized potential, which is by definition contradictory to what a Thomist would term God.

I was using the term being to describe some kind of extant entity or force--something that is.

So with that in mind, the question I've been trying to get an answer to (how do you know there is only one first cause) has seemingly been answered with another assertion (the first cause is pure actuality).
 
And how did G-d create life?


24 God said, "Let the earth bring forth each kind of living creature -each kind of livestock, crawling animal and wild beast"; and that is how it was.


So the earth brought forth life?
Humm
 
I was using the term being to describe some kind of extant entity or force--something that is.

So with that in mind, the question I've been trying to get an answer to (how do you know there is only one first cause) has seemingly been answered with another assertion (the first cause is pure actuality).

The question was already asked and answered. You're being incredulous.
Think about the question. How many FIRST causes can there be?
 
Those were the same objections I had before I embraced on classical theology. After reading Ed Feser's 'Aquinas' and subsequent study, I was able to better grasp these concepts. Having participated in forums on these debates with people much more qualified than myself, it became clear that nearly all the objections are from distortions and misunderstanding of the actual argument. Feser has a blog where he unpacks this stuff regularly.

In the sense of the objection and how you are using do and act, yes. Actus Purus has a lot detailed info, and based on what you've referenced, I should think it would be available to you. There is no change in God and God is not contingent.
That being, there wasn't a time where God was deciding, create or not to create. This is all consistent with DS. Is it 'simple', no, it's a very complex subject.
What you are suggesting is that it makes God impotent. This is because you see this as an inability, or a lack. To put it simply, if God cannot chose between a and ~a then there must be some deficiency or lack. There is a ton written on the subject and as you probably know, it can get crazy technical in the terminology.

Explain how God has free will.
 
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You really have to twist the meaning of your previous questions to come out with that interpretation. I'm not even sure that's a plausible interpretation given how direct of a question it seemed, especially given the context of our argument.

Regardless, we both know I already answered your question. I'll restate it again though. The idea of more than one being that is pure actuality is impossible as that would mean one being would have a "feature" that must distinguish it from the other being. That feature would mean the being that lacks said feature is not actually pure actuality (read: God) as it has an unrealized potential, which is by definition contradictory to what a Thomist would term God.

Can there not be two identical "pure actuality" beings?
 
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I simply believe the Biblical account of Genesis as written in the KJV. Roughly 6000 years ago an Eternal God we know as Jesus Christ now, spoke the world into existence.
I believe it was six literal days without a gap or evolution needed to assist with the supernatural event.
 
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I simply believe the Biblical account of Genesis as written in the KJV. Roughly 6000 years ago an Eternal God we know as Jesus Christ now, spoke the world into existence.
I believe it was six literal days without a gap or evolution needed to assist with the supernatural event.

Based on what evidence?
 
I simply believe the Biblical account of Genesis as written in the KJV. Roughly 6000 years ago an Eternal God we know as Jesus Christ now, spoke the world into existence.
I believe it was six literal days without a gap or evolution needed to assist with the supernatural event.

You forgot the blue font.
 
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In 24 hours G-d had the earth bring forth the animals?

Kjv
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
 
Based on what evidence?

It all comes down to faith in the facts of the scriptures. The facts of prophecy fulfilled let's me know that I have the right book.
The fact of the Ressurection of Jesus Christ let's me know I have the right God!
Like all orgin of life theories, they all require faith. 😉
 
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It all comes down to faith in the facts of the scriptures. The facts of prophecy fulfilled let's me know that I have the right book.
The fact of the Ressurection of Jesus Christ let's me know I have the right God!
Like all orgin of life theories, they all require faith. 😉

Yes except that genesis was written in a different language to people who understood things differently.

Nobody who speaks the original language thinks G-d created the universe 6000 years ago
 
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