Where did life begin? (Merged)

[FLVOL_79]

Our purpose is to procreate. That is about it. If there was a creator than he/she is REAAAAALLLY slow at getting sh!t done.

Also there would not be so much horrible sh!t in the world. When I see stories about people beating/torturing/killing/molesting children..thats all I need to know that there is no god.

Not knocking anyones beliefs..these are just mine.

 

[K9Buck]

You seem to be distinguishing natural phenomenon from a "creator" on these matters. I think that is a false distinction. What applies to one (eternal status, uncreated, etc.) ought to apply to the other.

I'm sorry. I don't follow. Can you dumb it down a bit for me? Thanks in advance.

 

[orangeblooded2]

I have already "explained" the physics of it. We don't know yet. just like we don't know if there is life out there or any number of other scientific discoveries waiting to be made.

I think we have proven something the bible itself eludes to.That life out their exist!

 

[K9Buck]

The question is the same, regardless of whether one is talking about the universe or a creator. Either eternal existance, uncreatedness, etc. exists or or it doesn't.

In other words, the principle matters, not the subject.

Now I think I follow.

I don't believe the universe is eternal. I believe the universe had a beginning and I think the "Big Bang Theory" supports that belief.

I believe we have a creator that IS eternal, but there is no way I can prove it or even cite evidence that we have an eternal creator.

 

[alaVOL]

For those that might be curious about a belief of God. Here is a sight with some interesting information.

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[K9Buck]

Our purpose is to procreate.

According to the bible, God commands us to "Be fruitful and multiply". That is one reason why Christians believe abortion is immoral as it goes against God's wishes. It's also a reason (or the reason) that many Christians believe that homosexuality is sinful.

 

[K9Buck]

I didn't vote because I have no idea what I believe. This stuff is way beyond my comprehension.

It's not beyond your comprehension. One doesn't have to be a theologian or an astrophysicist to have an opinion on the matter.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Now I think I follow.

I don't believe the universe is eternal. I believe the universe had a beginning and I think the "Big Bang Theory" supports that belief.

I believe we have a creator that IS eternal, but there is no way I can prove it or even cite evidence that we have an eternal creator.

If you believe in the G-d of Abraham, Issac and Jacob then you believe in a G-d of rules. Or more specifically laws. That G-d gave a list of rules to live by which has many purposes one of which is to bless those who follow them. By that I don’t mean G-d will magically bless you if you follow them rather you will live a healthier life if you do.
Now as G-d relates to science it makes sense to me that a G-d of laws would base His creation on them. Sure he could intervene if He wanted too (we call them miracles) I just don’t think He does very often.
To me the nature of science seems to point to a creator. My friends often discuss constants in science and how they relate to a potential creator. Ultimately science is understanding the system and will never prove/disprove a god.



But I digress

 

[VolStrom]

If you believe in the G-d of Abraham, Issac and Jacob then you believe in a G-d of rules. Or more specifically laws. That G-d gave a list of rules to live by which has many purposes one of which is to bless those who follow them. By that I don’t mean G-d will magically bless you if you follow them rather you will live a healthier life if you do.
Now as G-d relates to science it makes sense to me that a G-d of laws would base His creation on them. Sure he could intervene if He wanted too (we call them miracles) I just don’t think He does very often.
To me the nature of science seems to point to a creator. My friends often discuss constants in science and how they relate to a potential creator. Ultimately science is understanding the system and will never prove/disprove a god.



But I digress

Whats up with the G-d? Does that mean God?

 

[K9Buck]

If you believe in the G-d of Abraham, Issac and Jacob then you believe in a G-d of rules. Or more specifically laws. That G-d gave a list of rules to live by which has many purposes one of which is to bless those who follow them. By that I don’t mean G-d will magically bless you if you follow them rather you will live a healthier life if you do.
Now as G-d relates to science it makes sense to me that a G-d of laws would base His creation on them. Sure he could intervene if He wanted too (we call them miracles) I just don’t think He does very often.
To me the nature of science seems to point to a creator. My friends often discuss constants in science and how they relate to a potential creator. Ultimately science is understanding the system and will never prove/disprove a god.



But I digress

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I hope you don't mind me asking but, are you Jewish?

 

[MT LeConte]

Whats up with the G-d? Does that mean God?

One must always be careful when bandying around the name of God. Could get smitten.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

One must always be careful when bandying around the name of God. Could get smitten.

It’s more out respect dude. Learn to use some.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Define "creator".

Here we go. SMH.

 

[VolStrom]

One must always be careful when bandying around the name of God. Could get smitten.

Yeah I'm really worried.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Whats up with the G-d? Does that mean God?

Jews are weird

Oversimplified

It’s a respect for the Creator thing.
We drop the vowels so there’s no doubt about whom we speak. It’s the same reason the name of G-d is written as YHWH. No vowels

 

[Orangeslice13]

One must always be careful when bandying around the name of God. Could get smitten.

It’s not fear.
It’s respect

 

[Orangeslice13]

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I hope you don't mind me asking but, are you Jewish?

Yes
But practice Messaniac Judaism.

 

[VolStrom]

Jews are weird

Oversimplified

It’s a respect for the Creator thing.
We drop the vowels so there’s no doubt about whom we speak. It’s the same reason the name of G-d is written as YHWH. No vowels

I read this a couple of times. OK.

 

[MT LeConte]

It’s more out respect dude. Learn to use some.

Nah, I'm good.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Why aren't the Godless Communists oven in the TRUMP/PUTIN forum posting all of the evidence against President Trump that will lead to his impeachment?

Soon, though, right?

 

[Wafflestomper]

agnostic as far as the OP or real agnosticism?


I am trying to keep my arguments in the frame of reference that the OP was asking if a "being" existed. not if the Christian God existed.

to my mind once you have accepted the possibility of a being it becomes a matter of faith to define what that being is to you.

Not trying to be offensive, but isn't that the same thing as saying you don't have a good reason to believe in a particular god, since faith is effectively just belief without evidence?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I laughed. Nicely played.

I feel like Asian are being discriminated here. Lots of noodles over there, too.

Soaring Udon Beast.

New religion/band name!

 

[K9Buck]

Yes
But practice Messaniac Judaism.

Thanks. I should read up on your faith.

 

[K9Buck]

Not trying to be offensive, but isn't that the same thing as saying you don't have a good reason to believe in a particular god, since faith is effectively just belief without evidence?

I think that's a fair statement, but that wouldn't apply to me. I not only believe there is evidence (that most secularists would probably not accept), but that the preponderance of the evidence points to a creator.

 

[Septic]

I think that's a fair statement, but that wouldn't apply to me. I not only believe there is evidence (that most secularists would probably not accept), but that the preponderance of the evidence points to a creator.

If there were 'evidence' then one wouldn't need faith. What is this evidence you speak of?