Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?

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K9Buck said:
Now I think I follow.

I don't believe the universe is eternal. I believe the universe had a beginning and I think the "Big Bang Theory" supports that belief.

I believe we have a creator that IS eternal, but there is no way I can prove it or even cite evidence that we have an eternal creator.
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What the difference between the two?
 
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Wafflestomper said:
There are a lot of Christian denominations, and they all believe they interpret the same evidence correctly. Not saying you're wrong, but what makes your interpretation more valid than someone else's when many people claim parts of the Bible (or other holy book) are meant to be allegories? God didn't include a guide for how to interpret scripture.
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I think what makes me different is I go to the oldest version in the original language to see what is being said. Also I don’t spend any time at all telling others that they are wrong. I spend even less time telling them what sin is. That is clearly not my place.

I believe there is a G-d. That He is the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I seek Him as I believe He wishes to be sought. I will not defend dogma as I can be convinced I’m wrong about what conclusions I’ve drawn and will change based on new evidence.
Now I will admit that change is rare as I’ve been seeking a long time. But it does still happen from time to time. As an example I engage in these conversations for my benefit and not yours. I wish to sharpen my believes. If you get something out of it too that’s cool but not my primary goal

Did I answer your questions or do you have a follow up
 
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Wafflestomper said:
Sure. Why should I believe in God?
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I don’t know if you should. I don’t know if it’s a choice. You come to a conclusion based on evidence and that’s what you believe. The choice comes after belief in my opinion. In my mind you either believe in G-d or you don’t. There are many people who believe there’s a G-d and choose not to follow or seek him. There are people who believe that there is a G-d and outright reject Him. Conversely I know people who believe there’s no G-d and are more trustworthy than many believers I know. (Just deleted a paragraph because I didn’t want to derail the thread and bring out the Dogma worriers. )
As far as what you should believe.....meh.....do what makes you the happiest.


I believe there’s a G-d. I believe that He gave a plan or standard for living for those who choose to follow Him. I believe it’s a standard that makes me a better person. It’s something I do as an act of love for G-d not because I’m commanded too. I’m Grateful for the gift of this lifetime and do not assume that it extends to the next. Should G-d slay me I will be grateful for the life I had. Should this life be the end and there’s nothing after I’ll be grateful I had this one. I do not see myself as equals with G-d meaning the life I have is on loan to me but still belongs to G-d. He could end it at any time and would be righteous to do so as it’s His. As are all lives He created. It’s ok if you disagree as the authority I’ve been issued for this life doesn’t extend beyond me.












That was a lot of typing just to say I don’t know if you “should” believe in G-d.
 
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There is evidence for, and makes sense to me, the universe is a closed manifold, with no “beginning” or “end”. It simply closes back in on itself. Trying to comprehend the “beginning” of time itself is a futile exercise and doesn’t make sense anyway. Space and time are the same fabric of the universe. So there can’t be a “beginning” or “edge” of space too.

No need for a creator, and no need to explain how something came from nothing and illogically stopping the infinite regress at a “prime mover”.
 
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rjd970 said:
There is evidence for, and makes sense to me, the universe is a closed manifold, with no “beginning” or “end”. It simply closes back in on itself. Trying to comprehend the “beginning” of time itself is a futile exercise and doesn’t make sense anyway. Space and time are the same fabric of the universe. So there can’t be a “beginning” or “edge” of space too.

No need for a creator, and no need to explain how something came from nothing and illogically stopping the infinite regress at a “prime mover”.
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I'd like to believe you, I just don't have the FAITH.
 
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rjd970 said:
There is evidence for, and makes sense to me, the universe is a closed manifold, with no “beginning” or “end”. It simply closes back in on itself. Trying to comprehend the “beginning” of time itself is a futile exercise and doesn’t make sense anyway. Space and time are the same fabric of the universe. So there can’t be a “beginning” or “edge” of space too.

No need for a creator, and no need to explain how something came from nothing and illogically stopping the infinite regress at a “prime mover”.
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Convergence of mass as a theory has been loosing momentum as of late.

And how do you explain the beginning of life?
Convergence of mass would eliminate life so there has to be a Genesis moment for life even if space/time is immortal.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Convergence of mass as a theory has been loosing momentum as of late.

And how do you explain the beginning of life?
Convergence of mass would eliminate life so there has to be a Genesis moment for life even if space/time is immortal.
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Abiogenesis still has some holes in it, but it looks fairly promising.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Convergence of mass as a theory has been loosing momentum as of late.

And how do you explain the beginning of life?
Convergence of mass would eliminate life so there has to be a Genesis moment for life even if space/time is immortal.
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We can't yet explain the beginning of life, but there was a time when we couldn't explain how the sun works or that atoms existed and bonded to form molecules.

I've never heard the term "convergence of mass". What does that mean? Is that a religious term, because it's not a physics term.
 
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MT LeConte said:
We can't yet explain the beginning of life, but there was a time when we couldn't explain how the sun works or that atoms existed and bonded to form molecules.

I've never heard the term "convergence of mass". What does that mean? Is that a religious term, because it's not a physics term.
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It’s good that you’re keeping the faith.

And you’re correct “convergence of mass” is a term used by a guy I talk with to describe the multiple Big Bang or repeating Big Bang theory and not the industry standard to describe the theory.

Either way the point I was responding too remains.
The theory is losing popularity among the faithful
 
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