Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?

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#129
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RespectTradition said:
It does indeed invalidate the question. The only valid questions in a search for knowledge are questions that are, at least hypothetically, answerable.

My statement does not assert that God exists and created the universe, it assumed it. There is a big difference. I was not attempting to prove it. My point was that, if we assume that God exists and created the universe, then any question of origins and timelines is utterly irrelevant absent the causality and time inherent to our universe.

Can something outside our universe exist without being created? Dunno. Unknowable. Hence, any question about it is a logically invalid question.

Can an effect happen prior to a cause outside of our universe? Dunno. Unknowable. Hence, any question about it is a logically invalid question.

Have you ever read any Popper? Any questions of this type are non-falsifiable.
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Disagree with the first part, I think true quests for knowledge start with unanswerable questions. Just wanted to toss that in.
 
#130
#130
When it comes right down to it, Jesus could fly down with bells and whistles, it wouldnt change any ones mind.
 
#131
#131
IMO, God created the earth. God knows everything and can do anything. I don't see how a "big bang" can create something so perfect. It's illogical and denies the only obvious truth. There must be something out there "running" things. God is that thing.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
When it comes right down to it, Jesus could fly down with bells and whistles, it wouldnt change any ones mind.
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Very true...

This has been and interesting discussion at times. My critiques:

1. Science its' purest form is undeniably objective and completely necessary. If scientist discovered the origin of earthly life tomorrow and that discovery was beyond repute (by some freak discovery) it would have no bearing on the creation debate.
2. Pretending that some scientists are not agenda driven (as agenda driven as some religious nutjobs) is intellectually dishonest. Real scientists develop bad theories on a daily basis, and they will spend their lives defending bad theories and ideas.
3. Whether it is religion or science...once you introduce the human element the equation is already flawed. That presents real problems for both sides.
4. When it comes to proof...either conclusion (there is or isn't a God) requires a great deal of faith.
 
#134
#134
This is how you do it.
I have really enjoyed this debate.
It seems the existence of God always comes up in these type of discussions. But ultimately I think we've decided this. The God group thinks God turned on the switch that we call life. The non-God group thinks it happened by happenstance. Ultimately neither group has a clue how it happened or what the conditions were that caused it. Right?

Very good debate. Please continue.
 
#135
#135
volsforever27 said:
No, sorry if I singled you out again. I was speaking in general terms.

I will look up what you're talking about, but while you're at it Google evolution is flawed... some pretty interesting stuff.

As far as atheism being a religion, The Supreme Court says it deserves the same protections as other religions, but I know where you're coming from. I simply mean it's (as Random House Dictionary puts it) "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe". It also calls "atheism" the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

Hope I'm making sense, the cold medicine is starting to take over. I will say the only proof I've ever seen against the existence of God is Jersey Shore.
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What is this Supreme Court case you speak of?

And how, exactly, is evolution flawed? I'm not going to Google such a vague term.

Your definition is odd. Atheism, literally, means "the belief in no god," if you break the Latin word down. There's no unified body or belief about nature, cause, or purpose.
 
#136
#136
orangeslice13 said:
My personal bias is well documented in these forums. for those of you who don't know, I'm a Conservative religious nut job. I believe God created all things billions of years ago and gave it a push. from there everything evolved after it's own kind. My question is for those who come from an opposing view point.
How did life spontaneously start form non living mater?
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Great thread. Interesting responses.
 
#138
#138
orangeslice13 said:
Hello old friend. How are you?
I would ask what you think but I already know. Actually this thread idea came from our conversation.
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I thought our old thread might have inspired this thread. I am doing great. I am currently in Cambodia on my phone so I can't respond the way I would like to. I'll be back in Saigon tomorrow and respond the way I would like. Some of VN's physics and biology is a bit off. Definitely like to clear some points of confusion for VN posters without a background in science that might be led astray by their posts.

As for positions, I am constantly reading theoretical physcis and philosophy. Just finished an amazing genetics book. All with an open mind. My views are constantly changing on the subject. Pretty sure there are various points in which I have changed my mind compared to our old thread.*
 
#144
#144
I believe in creation.
I think everything is to perfect for it to just happen from 2 rocks banging together.

As OS13 asked: "How did life spontaneously start form non living mater?"
 
#145
#145
Gramps said:
I believe in creation.
I think everything is to perfect for it to just happen from 2 rocks banging together.

As OS13 asked: "How did life spontaneously start form non living mater?"
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But the same thing would have happened with the theory of creation. Something came from nothing.
 
#147
#147
Gramps said:
I believe in creation.
I think everything is to perfect for it to just happen from 2 rocks banging together.

As OS13 asked: "How did life spontaneously start form non living mater?"
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And I believe you have the wrong assumption about the big bang theory lol
 
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