When will it be Dooley's fault?

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Wylo said:
His biggest stars cannot stay out of the news for the wrong reasons. His leadership is in question. He is doubted by many more than you guys want to admit.

Is it his fault? I have bashed him plenty, but at this point I just want to know when he gets some of the blame?

He cannot control his highest profile stars. Is this just more "college kids being college kids" or is it a sign of bad things?
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By your own admission of thinking negatively to Dooley I think is why this post was created. If we "blame" Dooley for two people's actions then why can't we give hime the credit for the other stars on the team that you never hear get into trouble like AJ Johnson or Maggit, or even James, and Justin Hunter? I exclide Bray from your equation as well because we don't know exactly what Dooley did with him so we can't say he didn't do anything. Rogers on the other hand is just a T.O. jr. Do you blame Les Miles for not controling Honey Badger or applaude him for not showing favortism to a star?
 
#103
#103
Dooley inherited a bunch of these problems from kiffin/fulmer. It will take another year or to clean out all the issues.
 
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#104
It's the NCAA's fault. The standards for entrance are so low that kids that never put any effort into their schooling and behaviour are getting a free ride in college and can contribute nothing to society after football or any other sport is over. Just because of athletic ability too many scholarships are taken up that could be given to a kid that could be a doctor, scientist, or other professional person if given the chance. It would be just as enjoyable to watch a smart kid compete as one that can't make the grade without a full time tutor.
 
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Wylo said:
His biggest stars cannot stay out of the news for the wrong reasons. His leadership is in question. He is doubted by many more than you guys want to admit.

Is it his fault? I have bashed him plenty, but at this point I just want to know when he gets some of the blame?

He cannot control his highest profile stars. Is this just more "college kids being college kids" or is it a sign of bad things?
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It's his fault, but no more than it's Les Miles's fault with Mathieu, Mark Richt's fault with Isaiah Crowell, Steve Spurrier's fault with Steven Garcia, etc... etc... Every program loses players to suspensions.

Every program has discipline problems. It actually proves the strength of Coach Dooley's leadership that he's consistently willing to enforce the rules and suspend marquee players like Rogers, Aaron Douglas, Bryce Brown etc... A weaker leader would have found ways to sweep this stuff under the rug and try to sneak by. That results in short term wins but brings trouble from the NCAA in the long term. Pete Carrol, Lane Kiffin and Jim Tressel come to mind.

We've got a coach of good character in Derrick Dooley. I believe it will eventually translate to success on the field.
 
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Ok I've had enough. Guys this is absolutely pathetic. If you really think this is cdd fault then idk what to tell you. It is clear to look at this this team and see that 99% of them are causing no trouble. You can see that he has brought in high character guys that LOVE Tennessee football. It's also very clear that he has upgraded the talent tremendously. Would you rather have the sullins twins over stone and Fulton at guard and center? Of be startin 4 freshman on the line against sec seniors and juniors?? I know I'm going on a rant but come on guys. It's obvious we are in a MUCH better place than we we're when he got here. He still has to prove it on the field but thus is the first year he has had the talent to actually compete for 4 qrts with the big dogs. Let's stop talking about the negative and start getting pumped for Tennessee football season. It's one week away! Let's talk about our run game or our up and coming sophomore linebackers or our hard hittin safeties or out freakish wide receivers that stay out of trouble. Let's talk about the guys that do their job and not the guys that cause trouble. Let's talk about beating nc states a$$!!!! GO VOLS!!!

Edit: Sorry for the typos. Autocorrect sucks.
 
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Wylo said:
His biggest stars cannot stay out of the news for the wrong reasons. His leadership is in question. He is doubted by many more than you guys want to admit.

Is it his fault? I have bashed him plenty, but at this point I just want to know when he gets some of the blame?

He cannot control his highest profile stars. Is this just more "college kids being college kids" or is it a sign of bad things?
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One of the ways to control players is to dismiss or suspend them when they continue to violate the rules or become a cancer to the program. If Dooley has failed to do these things earlier, then he deserves some blame. However, he has done the right thing with DaRick, albeit possibly late, so maybe he is finally making a concerted effort to control the stars of the team.
 
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Wylo said:
His biggest stars cannot stay out of the news for the wrong reasons. His leadership is in question. He is doubted by many more than you guys want to admit.

Is it his fault? I have bashed him plenty, but at this point I just want to know when he gets some of the blame?

He cannot control his highest profile stars. Is this just more "college kids being college kids" or is it a sign of bad things?
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Here is the reality of the sitution, of course you can continue to live in fantasyland if you want to. DR is the ONLY player that Dooley recruited and signed that has been a discipline issue. That says more than all this other crap. Once the program is full of his recruits we will see less of this type of situations. However, you will never get rid of it. Every school has it. These are 18-22 year old KIDS. Sometimes they do stupid stuff and there is nothing an adult can do to get them to make better decisions. Just a fact of life.
 
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#110
Wylo said:
His biggest stars cannot stay out of the news for the wrong reasons. His leadership is in question. He is doubted by many more than you guys want to admit.

Is it his fault? I have bashed him plenty, but at this point I just want to know when he gets some of the blame?

He cannot control his highest profile stars. Is this just more "college kids being college kids" or is it a sign of bad things?
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This is nothing but rampant stupidity. This kind of crap goes on at every other SEC school, should Miles, Muschamp, Richt, Spurrier etc etc all be blamed for the crap their players do? Not to even mention Arkansas that is going to win the Fulmer Cup by a record margin.

You have to be as stupid as DaRick Rogers for blaming Dooley for his misgivings. Football coaches arent babysitters, at some point these kids have to take responsibility for their own actions...troll.
 
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OP. please tell me you are not serious. So I guess it is Miles fault that the little honey badger smoked some weed. Every team in the sec has players get in trouble every year. A coach can not control the down time of 85 21yr olds. With your statement I guess you have to give Dooley all the praise for growing lathers into such a great leader.
 
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Smokey1210 said:
OP. please tell me you are not serious. So I guess it is Miles fault that the little honey badger smoked some weed. Every team in the sec has players get in trouble every year. A coach can not control the down time of 85 21yr olds. With your statement I guess you have to give Dooley all the praise for growing lathers into such a great leader.
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By the way I don't give Dooley the credit for Lathers born leadership. Nor do I blame him for da'ricks born stupidity.
 
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It is the coaches fault when they disregard all red flags while recruiting the players for the sole purpose of winning. "Kiffin".
 
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Smokey1210 said:
It is the coaches fault when they disregard all red flags while recruiting the players for the sole purpose of winning. "Kiffin".
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Recruiting is sometimes a gamble. You have to go after talent. Some of that talent is coupled with dumb.

The perfect world, you go after only low risk/high-talent. With UT's recent dysfunction and roster problems, you have to roll those dice sometimes.
 
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Honestly it starts at the high school or even middle schools in the nation. When you put these high profile players on a podium and let them do what they what all the time with the punishment they keep doing it.

As an example, look at TB. . .failing his drug tests before CDD should have made an example out of him and "possibly" the golf ball drunken incident wouldn't have happened. Then again you have college kids that get drunk and do stupid things, who did when they were in college?

All in all, quit putting the kids on a higher level than regular college students and even high school students.

My huge problem with putting these kids in the spotlight saying they can do whatever they want and get away with it was the stupid @ss kid from LSU that beat up a Marine. He shouldn't have been allowed back, and that IS the fault of that coach, school, and organization for allowing that.

It goes both ways people. I want UT to win but if you have a ZERO tolerance and no nonsense policy players wouldn't act out as much either!

Just my .02!
 
#118
#118
With or without Da'Rick I don't think it changes anything but the gameplan for CDD at this point. 8 wins and he has a job for one more year while still be on the hotseat. 9 wins and he gets the same with slightly less hostility from media, fans will still say the same. 10 wins and he starts to win some fans over. Anything over that and Dooley earns alot of respect and could regress a couple of games in 2013 without so much bad press.
This is Dooley's make or break year with or without Da'Rick.
Sucks for Dooley though because if we do manage to have 10+ win season those who don't like him will say that it is because Dave Hart made him hire the coaches he did.
Have a 7 win or less year and it will because he is the worst coach ever. For about 25% of fans he could win the BCSNC and still be called a horrible coach.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Recruiting is sometimes a gamble. You have to go after talent. Some of that talent is coupled with dumb.

The perfect world, you go after only low risk/high-talent. With UT's recent dysfunction and roster problems, you have to roll those dice sometimes.
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Recruiting isn't an exact science even for the best of them.

Dooley has been in a corner with DR since he signed his LOI.

On the one hand Dooley can jump the curve and make a statement early with DR, setting the mark for how things are gonna be. In a lot of cases the kid doesn't see the light (or doesn't want to) and is removed from the program. This would slow down the rebuilding process and could affect Dooley's job.

On the other hand Dooley could try and just deal with what comes with DR (keep it in house so to speak) until it gets outside of his jurisdiction and there is nothing he can do about it either way.

Sounds like Dooley chose the second option.
 
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Wylo said:
His biggest stars cannot stay out of the news for the wrong reasons. His leadership is in question. He is doubted by many more than you guys want to admit.

Is it his fault? I have bashed him plenty, but at this point I just want to know when he gets some of the blame?

He cannot control his highest profile stars. Is this just more "college kids being college kids" or is it a sign of bad things?
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I did not read past this post. After reading, "He is doubted by many more than you guys want to admit", I had to assume the rest was garbage.

Show me proof...Link.....names of these many more people...anything of any substance to varify this. I haven't seen proof of anything more than MAYBE 2 or 3 sports talk radio clowns and maybe a dozen VN clowns. Show proof of more or delete the thread.

Wait. Let me try this.

Wylo. Your threads on VN are pretty stupid. You are doubted by more people than you think.

There. All the proof that is needed. I typed it, it must be true.
 
#121
#121
Wylo said:
His biggest stars cannot stay out of the news for the wrong reasons. His leadership is in question. He is doubted by many more than you guys want to admit.

Is it his fault? I have bashed him plenty, but at this point I just want to know when he gets some of the blame?

He cannot control his highest profile stars. Is this just more "college kids being college kids" or is it a sign of bad things?
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Man, this is the blame game at WFO. If you want to start blaming, spread this stuff around. Parenting, Peers, Self discipline, character, control, values. To push this all on CDD is really not a realistic evaluation of the situation. However it is pretty obvious you still can't get past Fulmer and Company no longer being around.
 
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