What would the mood be in Knoxville today...

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Lexvol

Lexvol

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If Kiffin was still our head coach? I'd think there would be some Nervous Nellies running around.
 
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I guess you are speaking to the probation for USC...and yes I think this board would be an absolute mess today. The Posivol's of the world would be in full force. The rival fans would be hanging from the rafters saying how it is going to happen to us as well.
 
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I think we have dodged a bullet, or maybe more appropriately, lost the gun that could shoot us. In his short tenure at Tennessee, the aggressive recruiting seemed to be risky behavior and I think sooner or later, Coach O would have had us on the dark side.

I wonder if the NCAA was a bit more harsh because of the new head coach at USC?
 
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I wonder if the NCAA stripping their NC completely undoes all the USC fan's excitement from 5 years ago.

What do you guys think. Is a NC NOW worth being on a 2-year probation 5 years down the road?
 
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Well SGM would be posting how Land & CO are awesome and how we're lucky to have them at the lowly UT while the rest of us (actually standing and not on our knee caps) would be pretty nervous and wondering what else has happened under him so far that we don't know yet.
 
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after all this, I truly believe that Kiffin departure from us is a blessing in disguise.
 
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salutethehill said:
I wonder if the NCAA stripping their NC completely undoes all the USC fan's excitement from 5 years ago.

What do you guys think. Is a NC NOW worth being on a 2-year probation 5 years down the road?
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The NCAA can't strip their NC. The BCS isn't 'AA sanctioned. It's up to the BCS to decide whether or not to re-vote.
 
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I love how nothing was tied back to Kiffin/Orgeron in 4 years of investigation, yet we were automatically going to end up on probation according to some of y'all. He bent the rules like crazy and probably annoyed the crap out of our compliance department, but that doesn't really equate.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Well SGM would be posting how Land & CO are awesome and how we're lucky to have them at the lowly UT while the rest of us (actually standing and not on our knee caps) would be pretty nervous and wondering what else has happened under him so far that we don't know yet.
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This. But then there would also be a lot of people saying that nothing that happened there involved Kiffin, and that we would be fine. Now, I'm not saying Kiffin was involved, but I'm not sure he wasn't, either. But I would feel kinda nervous about the direction of the program.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
I love how nothing was tied back to Kiffin/Orgeron in 4 years of investigation, yet we were automatically going to end up on probation according to some of y'all. He bent the rules like crazy and probably annoyed the crap out of our compliance department, but that doesn't really equate.
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No kidding, I'm tired of hearing people connect those two. For all it's worth, Lane and Ed went right back there knowing what the NCAA was about to do, Pete Carroll is the one who is gone. You connect the dots.
 
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GoVols said:
No kidding, I'm tired of hearing people connect those two. For all it's worth, Lane and Ed went right back there knowing what the NCAA was about to do, Pete Carroll is the one who is gone. You connect the dots.
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But it was his dream job. Remember?
 
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GoVols said:
No kidding, I'm tired of hearing people connect those two. For all it's worth, Lane and Ed went right back there knowing what the NCAA was about to do, Pete Carroll is the one who is gone. You connect the dots.
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This line of comments is absurd. While those two may not have been named expressly in the report, they were there during the relevant time period. In fact, the Kiffin Sheep on Vol Nation are all so quick to bleat about how the Great One recruted Reggie Bush. Where is the bleating about that involvement now? To say they weren't involved is to conveniently overlook the facts of the situation. They at least knew what was going on.

Furthermore, the NCAA noted that it was the entire culture at USC that was corrupt. And, what was the Great One trying to install here at UT? To transition it into USC East. We have now seen what that means and my answer is "No thanks, I'm not buying." We should all be thanking our lucky stars that rag tag bunch of mercenaries is long gone.
 
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eze said:
this line of comments is absurd. While those two may not have been named expressly in the report, they were there during the relevant time period. In fact, the kiffin sheep on vol nation are all so quick to bleat about how the great one recruted reggie bush. Where is the bleating about that involvement now? To say they weren't involved is to conveniently overlook the facts of the situation. They at least knew what was going on.

Furthermore, the ncaa noted that it was the entire culture at usc that was corrupt. And, what was the great one trying to install here at ut? To transition it into usc east. We have now seen what that means and my answer is "no thanks, i'm not buying." we should all be thanking our lucky stars that rag tag bunch of mercenaries is long gone.
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+1000000000000000000000000000000000000
 
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EZE said:
This line of comments is absurd. While those two may not have been named expressly in the report, they were there during the relevant time period. In fact, the Kiffin Sheep on Vol Nation are all so quick to bleat about how the Great One recruted Reggie Bush. Where is the bleating about that involvement now? To say they weren't involved is to conveniently overlook the facts of the situation. They at least knew what was going on.

Furthermore, the NCAA noted that it was the entire culture at USC that was corrupt. And, what was the Great One trying to install here at UT? To transition it into USC East. We have now seen what that means and my answer is "No thanks, I'm not buying." We should all be thanking our lucky stars that rag tag bunch of mercenaries is long gone.
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Did Kiffin recruit Bush? Bush's first year was in 2003 at USC. Kiffin was the WR's coach at that point and wasn't the RC. Orgeron was the RC.

Regardless, I haven't seen anything in the report that deals with USC's recruitment of Bush. It had to do with crap after he got there. Again, if the NCAA had stuff on Kiffin/Orgeron, they would've brought it to light.
 
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EZE said:
This line of comments is absurd. While those two may not have been named expressly in the report, they were there during the relevant time period. In fact, the Kiffin Sheep on Vol Nation are all so quick to bleat about how the Great One recruted Reggie Bush. Where is the bleating about that involvement now? To say they weren't involved is to conveniently overlook the facts of the situation. They at least knew what was going on.

Furthermore, the NCAA noted that it was the entire culture at USC that was corrupt. And, what was the Great One trying to install here at UT? To transition it into USC East. We have now seen what that means and my answer is "No thanks, I'm not buying." We should all be thanking our lucky stars that rag tag bunch of mercenaries is long gone.
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Haha, yeah man, Kiffin was the one paying him too. I bet if he would have stayed one more year, we would have been in so much trouble that we would have had to stop ALL athletics altogether for at least 10 years.

I think you're the sheep bro, you're the one who will believe anything.

Haha, with Kiffin coming, we actually lowered our number of secondary violations and brought the grades up. Spin that one.
 
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For all you that think Kiffin didn't know any of this was going on or his man O, I want some of what your smoking.
 
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BamanTn said:
For all you that think Kiffin didn't know any of this was going on or his man O, I want some of what your smoking.
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No, it is all too apparent that it destroys brain cells at an alarming rate. How people can still defend that crowd is beyond me.
 
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GoVols said:
No kidding, I'm tired of hearing people connect those two. For all it's worth, Lane and Ed went right back there knowing what the NCAA was about to do, Pete Carroll is the one who is gone. You connect the dots.
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^ This

We all know Lane is not an angel, but have there been any direct that is was Lane or coach O? He said it best, look what Pete did....
 
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Ok seriously, some people on here really need to get their heads out of the sand. There is no way that the two main guys beside Sark who are running the team with Pete had no idea or didn't have a hand in anything. Coach O was the head RC, for God's sake. You guys go find one example where the CEO of a company was looting the place and the VP's weren't there right with em. Enron? Tyco? Adelphia? Worldcom? Peregrine? Any? Any at all? They don't send the Ceo to jail by himself, the whole staff gets carted off.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Ok seriously, some people on here really need to get their heads out of the sand. There is no way that the two main guys beside Sark who are running the team with Pete had no idea or didn't have a hand in anything. Coach O was the head RC, for God's sake. You guys go find one example where the CEO of a company was looting the place and the VP's weren't there right with em. Enron? Tyco? Adelphia? Worldcom? Peregrine? Any? Any at all? They don't send the Ceo to jail by himself, the whole staff gets carted off.
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NCAA had 4 years to find it if it was there.
 
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EZE said:
This line of comments is absurd. While those two may not have been named expressly in the report, they were there during the relevant time period. In fact, the Kiffin Sheep on Vol Nation are all so quick to bleat about how the Great One recruted Reggie Bush. Where is the bleating about that involvement now? To say they weren't involved is to conveniently overlook the facts of the situation. They at least knew what was going on.

Furthermore, the NCAA noted that it was the entire culture at USC that was corrupt. And, what was the Great One trying to install here at UT? To transition it into USC East. We have now seen what that means and my answer is "No thanks, I'm not buying." We should all be thanking our lucky stars that rag tag bunch of mercenaries is long gone.
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If you stop and think about it...Lloyd Lake made a phone call to McNair at 1:34 AM on 1/8/06 in an attempt to persuade McNair to reach out to Bush in an effort to have him reach some kind of understanding with the "active sports marketing partnership" of which Bush was the anchor [future contributions] that had been supplying Bush and his family with a car, house, plane tickets, hotels, money, furniture, appliances, etc. Lake knew that something was up since Bush and his family had stopped asking for money, etc. in late Nov/early Dec. and surmised that someone else was providing Bush, his family, and associates with benefits. Bush, in fact, was now getting money, plane tickets for him and his friends, car repairs, hotels for him and his friends, etc. from people associated with the sports marketing group that he had interned with. PC had helped set up the internship arrangement for 3 USC athletes [the compliance department had mass failings in approving this arrangement since the internships were specifically available only to athletes and not the general school population...big no-no].

Lake stated that he had wanted to keep this quiet but was not willing to be left holding the bag for all the expenses he and his partner had contributed toward the partnership. By the way, the NFL Players Association evaluated the circumstances of the dealings with Bush arrangement and determined that it was an active partnership extending back to 2004. Bush and his family were the anchor while the other people involved were the money people.

The report noted that the next day that McNair called Bush in a 13 min conversation which was the third longest conversation out of all the cell phone calls they had ever had. McNair had repeatedly denied knowing, meeting, or conversing with Lake at parties, restaurants, etc. Unfortunately for him, the committee had photos, telephone records, other documents, etc that disproved these claims.

McNair’s immediate boss at the time was none other than Kiffin himself. Does anyone think that McNair did not at least discuss what must have been a disconcerting late-night phone conversation from Lake with Kiffin who he directly reported to? Admittedly this is an inference and supposition. The committee was not willing to include this in its report without direct evidence.

There are numerous places in the report that you can read between the lines and understand the severity of the lack of institutional control in football, basketball, and tennis with tacit agreement from the coaching and compliance staff that major rules violations were taking place.

I know this kind of detail does not interest everybody but there are a few that have not had time to review the reports that would like to read something like this.
 
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Give 'em Six said:
If you stop and think about it...Lloyd Lake made a phone call to McNair at 1:34 AM on 1/8/06 in an attempt to persuade McNair to reach out to Bush in an effort to have him reach some kind of understanding with the "active sports marketing partnership" of which Bush was the anchor [future contributions] that had been supplying Bush and his family with a car, house, plane tickets, hotels, money, furniture, appliances, etc. Lake knew that something was up since Bush and his family had stopped asking for money, etc. in late Nov/early Dec. and surmised that someone else was providing Bush, his family, and associates with benefits. Bush, in fact, was now getting money, plane tickets for him and his friends, car repairs, hotels for him and his friends, etc. from people associated with the sports marketing group that he had interned with. PC had helped set up the internship arrangement for 3 USC athletes [the compliance department had mass failings in approving this arrangement since the internships were specifically available only to athletes and not the general school population...big no-no].

Lake stated that he had wanted to keep this quiet but was not willing to be left holding the bag for all the expenses he and his partner had contributed toward the partnership. By the way, the NFL Players Association evaluated the circumstances of the dealings with Bush arrangement and determined that it was an active partnership extending back to 2004. Bush and his family were the anchor while the other people involved were the money people.

The report noted that the next day that McNair called Bush in a 13 min conversation which was the third longest conversation out of all the cell phone calls they had ever had. McNair had repeatedly denied knowing, meeting, or conversing with Lake at parties, restaurants, etc. Unfortunately for him, the committee had photos, telephone records, other documents, etc that disproved these claims.

McNair’s immediate boss at the time was none other than Kiffin himself. Does anyone think that McNair did not at least discuss what must have been a disconcerting late-night phone conversation from Lake with Kiffin who he directly reported to? Admittedly this is an inference and supposition. The committee was not willing to include this in its report without direct evidence.

There are numerous places in the report that you can read between the lines and understand the severity of the lack of institutional control in football, basketball, and tennis with tacit agreement from the coaching and compliance staff that major rules violations were taking place.

I know this kind of detail does not interest everybody but there are a few that have not had time to review the reports that would like to read something like this.
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But, but, but, Six, you should readily believe that Todd McNair (and maybe Pete Carroll) was the only person on the USC staff that had any idea that this stuff was going on. Not Kiff or Orgeron. No way they knew.
 
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