What was our problem the last few years?

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sjt18 said:
Agree. However the coach chooses, recruits, and signs the players. Within 3 years, a coach has either made the kind of progress that he can make recruits believe in... or recruits turn a cold shoulder and look for the next "new" thing.

I don't think a lot of people understand how narrow the window of opportunity is for any coach at any school. They need to be able to claim early success or the players they need to win... stop listening. For Heupel, that bar is lower than it was for Jones or even Pruitt. If he can get off the mat and win 8 or 9 games within 3 years then he can show recruits that he has the program moving in the right direction.
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with sanctions, don't hold your breath on 8 or 9 wins...

as soon as sanctions come down, Heupel's contract goes out to 2028.. he will get 5 years to hit that 8 win mark IMO..
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Fulmer was a terrible AD. Pruitt micromanaged the offense and wasn't a good leader.

I honestly think it's that simple. In spite of all the negative comments here, this team was not that bad outside of terrible QB play and overly conservative gameplans (which smells more of Pruitt micromanaging the offense than Chaney).

We lost at least 3, and maybe 4 games, due to poor QB play (Kentucky, Arkansas, Auburn, and maybe Georgia). Still probably not good enough to have beaten Bama, Florida, or A&M, but we might've knicked Georgia and would be at least 6-4 against a schedule with 4 top 10 opponents.

While Josh Heupel likely would've wanted the job regardless, I do wonder if part of him saw the terrible underperformance at QB and realized that was something he could fix quickly. We have a very talented roster of QBs that have been mismanaged.
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“We might not win but we gonna be tuffff aiiiight”
 
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LWSVOL said:
with sanctions, don't hold your breath on 8 or 9 wins...

as soon as sanctions come down, Heupel's contract goes out to 2028.. he will get 5 years to hit that 8 win mark IMO..
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You may know more than I do but sanctions usually amount to a year bowl ban and some scholarship losses for 2 or 3 years.

Not saying the NCAA has a good history... but it would be completely unjust and counter productive to hit UT hard when UT self-investigated and self-reported... and fired staff members. It would be a lesson to every other program to cover up and obfuscate.
 
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sjt18 said:
You may know more than I do but sanctions usually amount to a year bowl ban and some scholarship losses for 2 or 3 years.

Not saying the NCAA has a good history... but it would be completely unjust and counter productive to hit UT hard when UT self-investigated and self-reported... and fired staff members. It would be a lesson to every other program to cover up and obfuscate.
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I don't know anything about the violations. I've been anxiously awaiting to see the severity of the violations. Plowman painted a very bleak picture at the PC firing staff.

Glaizer's advice was cooperate and come clean. But after helping Missouri in 2018, he stoped saying to clients that cooperation would be looked on favorable by the NCAA. Missouri was hit with tougher penalties than Glazier or Missouri expected. So his whole approach didn't change with self investigations but his expectations on NCAA response did. There is a CBS interview he did covering this.

Why I anxiously await the report and hope they are not still finding things..
 
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TnVol! said:
No player development especially at qb. A coach that actually said Guarantano gives us our best chance to win. A coach that fired people during games. A coach that was not ready to be "the man". A coach that didn't want players from the great state of Tennessee. A coach that thought alright was a one syllable word. A coach that an offense from the 1960s could win in today's game...............
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A coach that got mad if the offense scored on his defense during practice with another QB other than number 2. A coach that seems to have been trying to save his good QB for year 4 and didn't make it.
 
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IMO, it was not a talent issue. There was enough talent on the roster to win at least half of the games he lost. Short of the big three, they didn't play any other team with appreciably more talent than UT, yet they lost a bunch of those games.

I believe it was a "team" issue. That is, the guys just didn't buy in. I think some of that was because they watched JG stroll out there over and over after having seen what the other guys could do in practice, but it was also a general lack of focus and drive. I am not saying that they quit, but you just saw way too many fundamental breakdowns.

Maybe Pruitt's "don't lose" mentality was in their heads too much, but I didn't see the competitive edge and focus that you see in winning teams.
 
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If you had asked me 10 or 15 years ago, I maybe would have said that the influence of the AD was overrated. Today, as I look over the carnage that was a once proud athletic department, I can see where the wrong AD's have taken us.

I am starting to get the feeling that we are going to see what a real AD can do, once again. We used to be tops overall in sports. We always had teams competing for national championships in several sports, every year. It is going to take a little bit of time, but I think we have a good one now.

I think, with the AD and head football coach working together, we are going to overachieve in many areas. It may (or may not) take two or three years, but I think we have that firm foundation now.

So, the answer to the original question is that we did not have good leadership at the top. Now, I believe, we do.
 
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hardyemt_p said:
JG was the problem in Pruitt's tenure. Losing the fan base by trotting out #2. bet you a $100 to a donut if we were winning 8-10 games a year, there would have never been an "internal investigation"!!
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I think he should have taken himself out of the games.
 
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Tman44 said:
Poor Coaching. Poor QB play. Mishandling the QB position. ZERO player development. Lack of peer leadership amongst the team. Loss of all possible off-season preparation due to COVID-19. A'ight?
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Tman44 said:
Poor Coaching. Poor QB play. Mishandling the QB position. ZERO player development. Lack of peer leadership amongst the team. Loss of all possible off-season preparation due to COVID-19. A'ight?
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Tman44 said:
Poor Coaching. Poor QB play. Mishandling the QB position. ZERO player development. Lack of peer leadership amongst the team. Loss of all possible off-season preparation due to COVID-19. A'ight?
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and just to think that we have the opportunity now to start over with a clean clean start. A fresh beginning sounds great.
 
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i2amavol said:
If you had asked me 10 or 15 years ago, I maybe would have said that the influence of the AD was overrated. Today, as I look over the carnage that was a once proud athletic department, I can see where the wrong AD's have taken us.

I am starting to get the feeling that we are going to see what a real AD can do, once again. We used to be tops overall in sports. We always had teams competing for national championships in several sports, every year. It is going to take a little bit of time, but I think we have a good one now.

I think, with the AD and head football coach working together, we are going to overachieve in many areas. It may (or may not) take two or three years, but I think we have that firm foundation now.

So, the answer to the original question is that we did not have good leadership at the top. Now, I believe, we do.
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you didn't take it high enough up the food chain.. AD is only as effective as Chancellor and President.. All 4 mentioned by you and me is still TBD..
 
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kell7517 said:
We had good recruiting classes and apparently at least 3 NFL caliber coaches. Pruitt, Ansley and Martin.
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Problem! What problem? Are you not aware of the winning streak to end 2019 and into the 1st 2 weeks of 2020?
 
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Boca Vol said:
Problem! What problem? Are you not aware of the winning streak to end 2019 and into the 1st 2 weeks of 2020?
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I am and was pretty satisfied for an 8 game win streak. It had been awhile. Felt good to be talked about in a positive light.
 
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