What underrated recruit (3-star or lower) has CJP recruited and developed that has given everyone this idea he is a great talent evaluator?

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CrybabyVol said:
I agree about Chaney. I should have highlighted that more. I think the fascination with Fromm (from my memory) is he was kind of was the first person that started the wave of benching established quarterbacks for unknowns and he had a great season that first year. The irony, of course, is then he wasn't benched for Fields who will be the Heisman front runner with Lawrence next year (who also, of course, usurped an established QB).

My point with Fromm is I think he is still a good QB. He's also a veteran. I would rather him be gone then be there. If I was advising him, I'd politely indicate that things aren't going to look to get better for him. Mine as well not risk injury and hope you can go to a team that you can learn for a bit from a starting QB. He'd be toast if a team like Miami or Cincinnati took him.
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Your memory is incorrect, the only reason Fromm is the UGA’s qb is Jacob Eason was injured. Kirby stuck with Fromm and Eason transferred. I’ve said it before, UGA’s first and second string qbs are playing at other schools.
If Fromm goes to the draft Kirby better pull a rabbit out of his visor or he’s in trouble.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Doug Flutie, Pat Haden, Joe Theissman - all 6' or shorter - said hey!
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Fromm, by NFL standards, is slow, short, and has a weak arm. His one asset was game management and decision making, which he hasn’t done a good job of lately.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Your memory is incorrect, the only reason Fromm is the UGA’s qb is Jacob Eason was injured. Kirby stuck with Fromm and Eason transferred. I’ve said it before, UGA’s first and second string qbs are playing at other schools.
If Fromm goes to the draft Kirby better pull a rabbit out of his visor or he’s in trouble.
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Eason came back form the injury but Kirby liked the hyper conservative limited mistakes let the depth win games approach. So Eason then Fields bailed. The difference this year was the play callereither didn't understand Fromms limitations or believed they were better than Chaney at overcoming them.

That's the beauty of Chaney. He can gameplan and playcalling withing almost any raw material. When Gitmo came in for Mauer the first time the gameplan went to pure run to finish the game. Chaney played in the box he had and expanded it til he and Gitmo were comfortable with the gameplan.
 
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Smokeyone said:
Eason came back form the injury but Kirby liked the hyper conservative limited mistakes let the depth win games approach. So Eason then Fields bailed. The difference this year was the play callereither didn't understand Fromms limitations or believed they were better than Chaney at overcoming them.

That's the beauty of Chaney. He can gameplan and playcalling withing almost any raw material. When Gitmo came in for Mauer the first time the gameplan went to pure run to finish the game. Chaney played in the box he had and expanded it til he and Gitmo were comfortable with the gameplan.
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I betting one the reasons Chaney left GA was a conflict over qbs. I believe Chaney wantred to use Fields more. The puppy fans were complaining about how Chaney was holding Fromm back and not cutting him loose.
It was my contention that Fromm could not make a lot of of the deeper throws. Chaney exploited what he could do.
 
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rikberry31 said:
I betting one the reasons Chaney left GA was a conflict over qbs. I believe Chaney wantred to use Fields more. The puppy fans were complaining about how Chaney was holding Fromm back and not cutting him loose.
It was my contention that Fromm could not make a lot of of the deeper throws. Chaney exploited what he could do.
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Likely Mark Smart controlled the gameplan and O direction. He likely stays unless a select few options came up. Fortunately a return to Knoxville was one such option.

It didn't help that UGA had already been turned down for its DC vacancy a couple times and at least twice at OC. They got cheap and then worried about imagine and quietly promoted 2 unqualified assistants. I wouldn't be shocked it Dan Enos gets shot if nothing better shows up for him.
 
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Bigun said:
All of the Freshman AA's were 4 and 5 star's.
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4 star's don't start as true freshman and alot of 5 star's are bust. What the staff did this year gives me hope. We saw players get better after a 1-4 start. He had a plan and done it.
 
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KBVol said:
“Beast” without a true position who didn’t start. Interesting.
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Ya... Darren Sproles is also a beast who didn’t start for a while. He’s a freshman, just because he made a really stupid mistake doesn’t mean you can say he wasn’t good at football. He’s one of the special players and if you have an eye for SEC type football players you’d know he fits the bill.
 
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When Warren Burrel went in he definitely didn’t look like a 3 star to me. I see much better/ faster development then with the Butch crew. How can you not?? We lost to Ga State and BYU, and became drastically better ever week the entire year imo.
 
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Smokeyone said:
Did he this year? Swift and Heirren good not great. Cook has lived in the doghouse and White is a couple years removed from great.
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Swift "good not great", are you kidding me! 2019 season, 1216 rushing, 216 receiving, 8 TDs-he is one of the best in the country and will be an early draft pick (less than the 20th), he's the real deal-and will continue to do well in the NFL.
 
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I40flyer said:
Swift "good not great", are you kidding me! 2019 season, 1216 rushing, 216 receiving, 8 TDs-he is one of the best in the country and will be an early draft pick (less than the 20th), he's the real deal-and will continue to do well in the NFL.
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Those are good not great numbers. You’re a fan...Ok.
 
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butchna said:
Those are good not great numbers. You’re a fan...Ok.
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Yes, I'm a fan, but that is all I am, I will allow the real pros to decide with their $$$, who is great and not. If he is great, he'll get big $$$$, if not then not so much. The professional evaluators from the NFL teams know more than I ever will, or most on this board ever will, I'm interested in their call. Swift's numbers are great when you consider most teams had him "double" covered-all the time, they were that scared of his ability to take off.....
 
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I40flyer said:
Yes, I'm a fan, but that is all I am, I will allow the real pros to decide with their $$$, who is great and not. If he is great, he'll get big $$$$, if not then not so much. The professional evaluators from the NFL teams know more than I ever will, or most on this board ever will, I'm interested in their call. Swift's numbers are great when you consider most teams had him "double" covered-all the time, they were that scared of his ability to take off.....
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He might end up great AND have to wait for the guaranteed dough. They don’t take considerations of how a loaded football team uses him to explain away his numbers. Penn State used the hell out of Saquon Barkley and he still put up generational type numbers...and was drafted accordingly. If he runs a 4.4 and otherwise wows at the Underwear Olympics? Anything’s possible. My guess right now is maybe Buffalo or Baltimore take him in the low first round...otherwise he’s second day.
 
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The star rating is irrelevant. The players get better and shine under Pruitt. Butch had tons of stars that underperformed. Not seeing that too much these days.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
When LSU,GA,ALA,Clemson,OSU etc recruit a player its enough for me to think he might be good.
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That is exactly how it works. Recruiting ratings = A blind man judging a beauty contest by how many how many times each contestant has been asked for a date.
They make money though. Allows clueless fans to discuss talent evaluation like they know what they’re talking about.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Yes. Probably more Clemson than any of the others. They are stingy with the offers these days.
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Clemson built their current powerhouse on classes ranked between 10-15 most years. Meanwhile, Alabama has had the #1 or #2 ranked class every year. But when they played last year (and if they played this year), Clemson obviously had superior talent.

What that shows is that Dabo & staff were evaluating well and doing it based on their own observations, not that of the “recruiting experts.” Now those “experts” have come around and they’re ranking Clemson kids higher than others because it’s obvious they know how to evaluate. So the “experts” are reactive, not proactive.

This is why I’m not bothered by Pruitt’s class being ranked between 10-15. He knows how to evaluate and he’s going after the kids he wants. Furthermore, he’ll develop them. Hell with the recruiting rankings. They don’t mean squat.
 
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I40flyer said:
Swift "good not great", are you kidding me! 2019 season, 1216 rushing, 216 receiving, 8 TDs-he is one of the best in the country and will be an early draft pick (less than the 20th), he's the real deal-and will continue to do well in the NFL.
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I had to do a double take at that Swift comment too
 
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Mikevol1964 said:
I thought Taylor struggled at the beginning of the year but played really well the last 4-5 games
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Taylor was drawing alot of attention, with double teams and chipping. When pressure starting coming from other areas, it loosened up the attention being on Taylor. Not to mention, the coverage got better, in the secondary. But, pressure coming from blitzing LB's and other areas, helped Taylor a great deal. He was never a Leonard Little.
 
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