What underrated recruit (3-star or lower) has CJP recruited and developed that has given everyone this idea he is a great talent evaluator?

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orangemadam said:
IMO, stars are very important.

The good coaches (Saban, Orgeron, Dabo) are able to take the potential in the 4/5* and develop that into results.

They also take the 3 * and coach them up to playing like 4 *.

Its a whole lot easier for the good coaches to field great teams when they are loaded with star players because they know what to do with them. They don't usually fall victim to the excuse (overrated).
UT coaches in the past had 5*s that didn't pan out mainly because they didn't know how to coach them.

I'm hoping coach Pruitt has learned how to coach them by working for the best. We will soon see (next 2 seasons).
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Stars are only important in the fact that they indicate the reputation of schools recruiting a player. Top schools will always have top rated recruits, because they’re recruiting them.
 
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by definition, 3* players are those with great potential but who are likely to need a fair amount of development to be a starter in the top half of the SEC, figure two years. A 4* often can be an impact player within a year and 5* are expected to contribute from day 1.

so within that timeline it should not be a surprise to see kids starting to click here at the end of this season. I think by the end of next year it will be pretty clear if this staff can coach talent to its potential and beyond or just recruit it. Pruitt was widely thought of as a defensive guru, not just a great recruiter. Chaney hardly needs mentioning. So far what we are seeing is very encouraging.
 
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jwilliams said:
I realize these are debatable, but how about these guys?

Shawn Shamburger
Trevon Flowers
Theo Jackson
Baylen Buchanan
Kenneth George JR
K'Rojhn Calbert
Kurott Garland
Austin Pope
LaTrell Bumphus
Matthew Butler
Kivon Bennett
Darel Middleton

Not saying any of these guys are superstars right now, but I've seen good plays and some contribution from all of them.
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Tell me more about false start Pope, the pontiff of penalties.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Tell me more about false start Pope, the pontiff of penalties.
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Needs to correct that issue and good odds that it will be brought up. Had written him off as roster chaffe and the coaches got production out of him.
 
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CJP is like a trash compactor that turns twenty pounds of trash into twenty pounds of trash, whereas Butch Jones turned twenty pounds of trash into forty pounds of trash.
 
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butchna said:
Needs to correct that issue and good odds that it will be brought up. Had written him off as roster chaffe and the coaches got production out of him.
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We'll see. There were times I wondered if he did it on purpose given some of the back to back false starts. I guess because i was so mad at him.
 
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Evaluator: The real question should be, how many 0,1, and 2.stars became e or 4 stars when we started recruiting them.
Developer; Look at the progress inherited players have made. Where they start has nothing to do with becoming a great player. 5-stars don’t become great left unto themselves, we have had many busts under the last couple regimes. Not one miss last year.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
We'll see. There were times I wondered if he did it on purpose given some of the back to back false starts. I guess because i was so mad at him.
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It was frustrating. Never pegged him as criminally insane.
 
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Bigun said:
Played what game? I'm asking what recruits, under the radar recruits he has developed.

As far as Coach Buttfront goes it is possible to say I hate UGA and I also realize they are dominating the East by a mile and both be true. Kirby needs to move on to the NFL or somewhere else. That would help us tremendously.
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Ah, another quitter.
 
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Bigun said:
Played what game? I'm asking what recruits, under the radar recruits he has developed.

As far as Coach Buttfront goes it is possible to say I hate UGA and I also realize they are dominating the East by a mile and both be true. Kirby needs to move on to the NFL or somewhere else. That would help us tremendously.
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You might be right, but something about Kirby doesn’t give me the hopelessness that Saban at Bama does. Since Saban made Bama the juggernaut it is I expect a loss, hope to sneak a win, but mainly hope to be competitive and move on. I don’t feel that way with Kirby at Ga. With all their great recruiting they have not dominated like Bama. Something about Kirby and Ga gives me hope that I don’t have with Bama and Saban right now. Fla is a different story since Tn seems to find a way to lose to Ron Zook, and Jim Mcelwain.
 
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beamerman said:
You might be right, but something about Kirby doesn’t give me the hopelessness that Saban at Bama does. Since Saban made Bama the juggernaut it is I expect a loss, hope to sneak a win, but mainly hope to be competitive and move on. I don’t feel that way with Kirby at Ga. With all their great recruiting they have not dominated like Bama. Something about Kirby and Ga gives me hope that I don’t have with Bama and Saban right now. Fla is a different story since Tn seems to find a way to lose to Ron Zook, and Jim Mcelwain.
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Kirby is not a good game manager who likes control. Bad combination.
 
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VolPack22 said:
The same could be said about Nick Saban and he’s the greatest coach of this era. It’s not about developing the under the radar recruits. Yeah it’s nice when that happens and it’s a feel good story but that’s not what wins you championships. It’s about taking the top notch recruits and making them even better.
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This is the truth. It’s about signing the best players you can identify and then developing them to reach their potential. You don’t get extra points for winning with 3*s. But seeing that some 4*s are overrated is just as important as recognizing the best 3*s.

This staff can teach. That should be obvious by now. Yes we could upgrade a couple recruiters but there’s a risk replacing any coach. I would be fine holding steady b/c a couple more years of improving the win total and recruiting will naturally improve while keeping the same high level of development. But I know that won’t happen, 1-2 guys are going to leave most years.
 
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joevol33 said:
Kirby is a fresher version of Richt, but more annoying. The only thing he's done in games has been out talent others, and even that has backfired (see tge South Carolina game). His game day coaching skills aren't great, and they probably won't be. His recruiting has already slipped this year, which means he's gonna stop just having tge best talent. The pups days at tge top of the east are numbered. Losing Pittman, a few lineman, and having tension between his qb and oc will hurt them next season. Wait till the sugar bowl, I would bet Baylor runs them off the field.
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I think their recruiting is starting to show signs of weakness. In 2018, they signed 9 of the top 20 players in Georgia. In 2019, they signed 3. In 2020, they have signed 2, the same number as Tennessee has (If only TN could have pulled Ratledge!).

It will be interesting to see if there overall recruiting falls off a cliff for 2021.

Of course, it would be hard to argue that we would rather be in our situation, talentwise, than them. That doesn't mean much though, when you fail to coach them up properly.
 
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i2amavol said:
I think their recruiting is starting to show signs of weakness. In 2018, they signed 9 of the top 20 players in Georgia. In 2019, they signed 3. In 2020, they have signed 2, the same number as Tennessee has (If only TN could have pulled Ratledge!).

It will be interesting to see if there overall recruiting falls off a cliff for 2021.

Of course, it would be hard to argue that we would rather be in our situation, talentwise, than them. That doesn't mean much though, when you fail to coach them up properly.
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Read an article saying UGA’s avg national class recruiting ranking average over the last 18 years is 8.33.

Agree none of it matters if you don’t coach them up. It’s why we should all be fortunate Kirby is HC. He can recruit and he may be a good coach, but he’s clearly not an elite coach. They simply out talent folks in most W’s.
 
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Justin Flower, his first recruit at Alabama, so shut the hell up and shut yo mouth. Know what your talking about, your FAKE NEWS, left lib
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
This is the truth. It’s about signing the best players you can identify and then developing them to reach their potential. You don’t get extra points for winning with 3*s. But seeing that some 4*s are overrated is just as important as recognizing the best 3*s.

This staff can teach. That should be obvious by now. Yes we could upgrade a couple recruiters but there’s a risk replacing any coach. I would be fine holding steady b/c a couple more years of improving the win total and recruiting will naturally improve while keeping the same high level of development. But I know that won’t happen, 1-2 guys are going to leave most years.
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I agree. I have a nephew who's partners in a large law firm in Atlanta. Out of high school he ACED the ACT and of course had a free ride to any college he wanted. After his undergrad degree he was awarded a full ride to Emory Law School (no he's not a liberal follower). He told me once in a conversation (cant remember the subject matter but it was relevant) that there NEVER WAS A CONVERSATION at Emory of what you scored on the ACT among fellow students. No one cared what they were "ranked" out of high school. Nor does the judge ask for their high school ACT scores in the court room. Now I apply this same philosophy to star rankings in college athletics. No one ask the opposing QB what his star ranking was while the game is being played. They just worry about him hanging 500 yards of passing on them. Maybe a poor comparison but the point is obvious....I think..:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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tennrich1 said:
I agree. I have a nephew who's partners in a large law firm in Atlanta. Out of high school he ACED the ACT and of course had a free ride to any college he wanted. After his undergrad degree he was awarded a full ride to Emory Law School (no he's not a liberal follower). He told me once in a conversation (cant remember the subject matter but it was relevant) that there NEVER WAS A CONVERSATION at Emory of what you scored on the ACT among fellow students. No one cared what they were "ranked" out of high school. Nor does the judge ask for their high school ACT scores in the court room. Now I apply this same philosophy to star rankings in college athletics. No one ask the opposing QB what his star ranking was while the game is being played. They just worry about him hanging 500 yards of passing on them. Maybe a poor comparison but the point is obvious....I think..:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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An analogy of high ACT scores to football rankings silly. Glad you acknowledged it in the end
 
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