What round will Josh Dobbs get drafted in, if at all?

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Sterling and Beckham are going to be dominant together for a long time. I say Dobbs wouldn't be a bad pick late bc Eli is getting older, Dobbs could learn under a 2 time super bowl champion. Hopefully the O line would be fixed by the time Dobbs would play

I'd love if that happened cause I really like the talent on the Giants long term.

 

[Vols_14]

I think his passing could really develop well with NFL coaching. Sometimes you watch him throw and you're like good god who were you throwing to and other times you're like good god that was beautiful

 

[BearCat204]

I was sincerely shocked he lasted till the 2nd round. When I watched him last year, he just jumped off the screen every time he played. Definitely the biggest steal of the 2016 draft so far along with Dak Prescott.

Don't know, Thomas and Coleman have been pretty good this year. I think the biggest steal of the draft was definitely Jordan Howard.

 

[hndog609]

I'm also not willing to give up on Kelvin Taylor. His tape was too good IMO. I think when he gets his chance he'll prove to be a better NFL RB than Derrick Henry (which might not be saying much).

You do realize you're talking about a guy who was not only cut by the Niners but couldn't even keep a job on their practice squad. The Seahawks picked him up for their practice squad and last I heard he's sitting on a reserve/future contract. That's some seriously weak sauce from the guy you said was the 2nd best RB in the draft behind Elliott.

And while Henry didn't make your eye's pop out he rolled up nearly 500 yards backing up the league's 3rd leading rusher and actually did so with a higher ypc. Jury's out but Taylor has a LOT of catching up to do.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Once again this isn't my job. Its theirs.

I can miss a million times of players like Dak because I'm not paid to make those decisions. They are paid to make those decisions hence why I criticize them even if I made the same mistake.

All I do is state my opinions. I let history be the judge. We'll see ultimately what happens to Dobbs. I still maintain he's the best QB prospect in this draft. And is better than anybody who came out last year.

F***ING LOL at this


You can't go on spouting your garbage about having a "gift" for seeing talent and talking about how much smarter you are than NFL GMs and then act like you deserve no criticism when you're wrong.

 

[TrueOrange]

What would you call your prognostication stats?

Just wrong?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You do realize you're talking about a guy who was not only cut by the Niners but couldn't even keep a job on their practice squad. The Seahawks picked him up for their practice squad and last I heard he's sitting on a reserve/future contract. That's some seriously weak sauce from the guy you said was the 2nd best RB in the draft behind Elliott.

And while Henry didn't make your eye's pop out he rolled up nearly 500 yards backing up the league's 3rd leading rusher and actually did so with a higher ypc. Jury's out but Taylor has a LOT of catching up to do.

There have been great NFL players who were cut several times at the beginning of their careers only to rise to stardom later on.

I trust my eyes. Kelvin Taylor has skills. And at some point someone will give him a chance and I believe he shines.

 

[hndog609]

There have been great NFL players who were cut several times at the beginning of their careers only to rise to stardom later on.

I trust my eyes. Kelvin Taylor has skills. And at some point someone will give him a chance and I believe he shines.

Given your overall track record I trust Stevie Wonder's eyes more. We aren't talking about some "project" player you thought could develop into something. Your #2 rated RB in the whole draft isn't even on an active roster.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Given your overall track record I trust Stevie Wonder's eyes more. We aren't talking about some "project" player you thought could develop into something. Your #2 rated RB in the whole draft isn't even on an active roster.

NFL success isn't always instant. A great player can be overlooked for a while until he gets that shot and takes advantage of it.

I'm confident that Kelvin will get a shot soon enough and when he does he will shine.

 

[bamawriter]

NFL success isn't always instant. A great player can be overlooked for a while until he gets that shot and takes advantage of it.

I'm confident that Kelvin will get a shot soon enough and when he does he will shine.

Can you provide one example of a running back who spent his entire rookie season on the practice squad and then went on to have success?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Can you provide one example of a running back who spent his entire rookie season on the practice squad and then went on to have success?

I don't know about spending the entire rookie season on the practice squad. I'm sure its happened before but I haven't done the research. Just going off memory, I know Arian Foster spent much of his rookie year on the practice squad at Houston. And FYI it wasn't like Houston had great RBs that year. The starter was Steve Slaton.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arian_Foster

Foster was only activated in late November after injuries to the other RBs. He didn't do much that year. He blew up the following year after he ran for 200 yards opening day against the Indianapolis Colts. And he obviously went on to have a great career.

Not saying Kelvin is Arian Foster but there are great NFL players that start off on the practice squad as rookies only to shine later on.

 

[butchna]

Not looking good

Matt Miller has already been discounted per "our draft guy".

 

[bamawriter]

I don't know about spending the entire rookie season on the practice squad. I'm sure its happened before but I haven't done the research. Just going off memory, I know Arian Foster spent much of his rookie year on the practice squad at Houston.

Foster played more than a third of his rookie season.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Foster played more than a third of his rookie season.

He was still on the practice squad for 2/3 of the year. Injuries moved him into the roster. And he was playing behind a guy named Steve Slaton. So it's not like Houston had elite talent keeping him off the active roster for nearly the entire season.

You keep bringing up the fact Kelvin was on the practice squad as evidence he must not be good.

What does that make Arian Foster then since he spent 2/3 of his rookie year on the practice squad while some guy named Steve Slaton was the starting RB for the Houston Texans?

These NFL coaches are not infallible. If they knew what they had in players all the time, we wouldn't see backups coming in year after year and outperforming the starters to ultimately win the job. The Texans coaches kept Foster on the practice squad cause they couldn't see his talent. Luck gave him a chance and he made the most of it.

Kelvin will get a shot soon and when he does I'm confident he'll make the most of it like Foster did. He's got the talent. He just needs the chance.

 

[hndog609]

I don't know about spending the entire rookie season on the practice squad. I'm sure its happened before but I haven't done the research. Just going off memory, I know Arian Foster spent much of his rookie year on the practice squad at Houston. And FYI it wasn't like Houston had great RBs that year. The starter was Steve Slaton.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arian_Foster

Foster was only activated in late November after injuries to the other RBs. He didn't do much that year. He blew up the following year after he ran for 200 yards opening day against the Indianapolis Colts. And he obviously went on to have a great career.

Not saying Kelvin is Arian Foster but there are great NFL players that start off on the practice squad as rookies only to shine later on.

And again the contextual dodge. Foster was the "come from nowhere" player that came from being undrafted and least made the active roster and managed some actual stats (including one outright start) in his rookie season.

That is in STARK contrast to having a guy you rated as the #2 back available failing to make an active roster for two different teams.

That's not some nuanced difference.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And again the contextual dodge. Foster was the "come from nowhere" player that came from undrafted and least made the active roster and managed some actual stats (including one outright start) in his rookie season.

That is in STARK contrast to having a guy you rated as the #2 back available failing to make an active roster for two different teams.

That's not some nuanced difference.

If I said Arian Foster was the best RB in the 2009 draft and he went on to go undrafted, spent 2/3 of the season on the practice squad, and then only played a few games with marginal production, you would be saying the same thing you are saying right now about Kelvin Taylor.

Then the 2010 season would have come and Arian Foster would run for 1600 yards and my prediction would now look genius.

All I'm saying is give this time. I just watched some film of Kelvin Taylor last night and am still wowed at his skill level. I'm still confident he will shine when he gets that chance.

 

[bamawriter]

You keep bringing up the fact Kelvin was on the practice squad as evidence he must not be good.

What does that make Arian Foster then since he spent 2/3 of his rookie year on the practice squad

Better than Taylor. Foster was activated from the pratice squad in November of his rookie year. Taylor was CUT from the practice squad in November of his. He then gets signed by the Seahawks and can't see the field for a team that isn't even putting up 100 rushing yards per game.

 

[hndog609]

If I said Arian Foster was the best RB in the 2009 draft and he went on to go undrafted, spent 2/3 of the season on the practice squad, and then only played a few games with marginal production, you would be saying the same thing you are saying right now about Kelvin Taylor.

Then the 2010 season would have come and Arian Foster would run for 1600 yards and my prediction would now look genius.

All I'm saying is give this time. I just watched some film of Kelvin Taylor last night and am still wowed at his skill level. I'm still confident he will shine when he gets that chance.

So anyone that thinks Goff will succeed need only claim "give him time"...right?

Foster succeeded from low expectations. Kudos to him. Taylor has fallen on his face from higher expectations, especially from you. There's a very big difference.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So anyone that thinks Goff will succeed need only claim "give him time"...right?

Foster succeeded from low expectations. Kudos to him. Taylor has fallen on his face from higher expectations, especially from you. There's a very big difference.

What high expectations? He was drafted in the 6th round as you guys constantly like to remind me. 6th round picks come in with about as much expectations as an undrafted free agent. And as far as media, the only guy who had as much expectations for Kelvin as I did was Merril Hoge (ESPN). Nobody else expected anything from Kelvin Taylor.

And FYI the Goff comparison is not the same. Goff got his chance and looked terrible. Kelvin hasn't gotten a chance yet. If Kelvin gets a shot and is terrible like Goff then I will admit I was wrong. Right now we don't know how Kelvin will do since he hasn't even played a game yet.

 

[Orange&White]

Mel Kiper has Barnett going in the First Round with the 31st pick to the Atlanta Falcons.

Alabama has 6 guys in the First Round.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Better than Taylor. Foster was activated from the pratice squad in November of his rookie year. Taylor was CUT from the practice squad in November of his. He then gets signed by the Seahawks and can't see the field for a team that isn't even putting up 100 rushing yards per game.

Linebacker James Harrison was cut on and off the Steelers practice squad many times his few years in the NFL. He had to spend some time in NFL Europe as well. He then came back to have a great career with the Steelers winning defensive player of the year and is still a pretty good player today at 38 years old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harrison_(American_football)#Professional_career

Kurt Warner is another famous story of a guy who was cut multiple times early in his career, spent time in NFL Europe, then went on to a near hall of fame career.

Its possible to become a great player even if you are cut early in your career off an NFL teams practice squad.

 

[Dudleys87]

Mel Kiper has Barnett going in the First Round with the 31st pick to the Atlanta Falcons.

Alabama has 6 guys in the First Round.

He's going to Carolina...

 

[hndog609]

What high expectations? He was drafted in the 6th round as you guys constantly like to remind me. 6th round picks come in with about as much expectations as an undrafted free agent. And as far as media, the only guy who had as much expectations for Kelvin as I did was Merril Hoge (ESPN). Nobody else expected anything from Kelvin Taylor.

Getting drafted is certainly higher expectations than given Foster. And the fact you were exponentially higher on Taylor isn't exactly something that tilts in your favor.

And FYI the Goff comparison is not the same. Goff got his chance and looked terrible. Kelvin hasn't gotten a chance yet. If Kelvin gets a shot and is terrible like Goff then I will admit I was wrong. Right now we don't know how Kelvin will do since he hasn't even played a game yet.

Kicking the can down the road and hoping for huge changes (you're on record in the inverse with Bosa) isn't an impressive defense of one's position.

Time will tell (about these and many other predictions) but dude...you're not looking good at this point.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Mel Kiper has Barnett going in the First Round with the 31st pick to the Atlanta Falcons.

Alabama has 6 guys in the First Round.

31st overall is a little too low for Barnett. I might not think he's a top 5-10 prospect like many on here. But he's more in the mid-20s range as a prospect. However, I could see him falling that low if he struggles at the combine.

6 Bama players in the first round is comical. Only Marlon Humphrey and Eddie Jackson (who I assume isn't part of that 6) are first round talents. Jonathan Allen, Reuben Foster, Cam Robinson, Tim Williams, and OJ Howard are vastly overrated. All 5 are second round prospects at best.

 

[bamawriter]

Linebacker James Harrison was cut on and off the Steelers practice squad many times his few years in the NFL.

While he did bounce between the roster and the practice squad, as well as between teams, Harrison was active on gameday multiple times and saw the field during his rookie year, albeit on special teams.

Kurt Warner is another famous story of a guy who was cut multiple times early in his career, spent time in NFL Europe, then went on to a near hall of fame career.

There's a better example, though he was never on a team's practice squad. Though with the existence of the Europe Developmental league, that's not really much of a distinction.

However, I asked you for a running back. That's important, because running backs have arguably the shortest shelf life of any position in the NFL, and every year that one doesn't see the field is a really big deal.