What is up with the UT fanbase?

#52
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KBVol said:
Everybody remembers, nobody needs reminding. It's why Jones was given a lot of patience and no expectations of winning anything his first two years. Year 3 Jones actually had us ahead of schedule and it was generally acknowledged......however, he got criticism for losing a couple or 3 games because of poor in game management.

Still, he wasn't drilled by most for not winning an SECeast last year, that was there for the taking, because it was widely thought that 2016 was "THE YEAR", when everything should've set up for him as heavy favorites to play Alabama in the SECCG.....and it was absolutely set up on a tee.....until 2 inexcusable losses to lowly SCar and Vandy.

So don't get it twisted. He has gotten a ton of attaboys and thank yous for cleaning up a mess, job well done. Now, after 4 years, he's getting deserved and earned criticism for a job poorly done after a failed, disappointing season.
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Calling the man Names, poor mouthing his every move, and hoping for losses so the man will be fired is not well deserved criticism.

Also, you went from thinking they were ahead of schedule last year to firing the head coach this year. wow.
 
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Longsufferingvol said:
I get on here and on the facebook group and it seems like half the fanbase has forgotten what UT football is all about. These are the people who say you are embarrassing if you say anything critical about Jones or the team. I've also seen them rationalize the lack of results with "The SEC is tough" and "Most teams would be happy with an 9-4 record". Have we been in the wilderness so long that people have forgotten that UT is one of the greatest football programs of all time? UT football has won 6 national titles and is at or near the top in a number of categories lncluding bowl appearances and victories and we are only 2nd to Alabama in SEC championships. What's my point? A 9-4 season with losses to Vandy and USCjr would have been seen as very mediocre a decade ago. So why is it ok now? Why are people irrationally defending it? In my opinion, it's a cause for concern. Do we really want to become content with just being mediocre?
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So, because more of us aren't crying like a spoiled princess AFTER the season is over, sending harassing tweets to guys still in HS, and looking to sign online petitions to more effectively express our immaturity is a sign the program is in trouble?

Go take your prozac.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
I have a few thoughts:

1) The internet has made everything an argument. 25% are sensible one way, 25% sensible the other way, and the last 50% are just crazy, loud idiots in every direction.

2) Something tells me you're not hearing the other side if you're using terms like "irrational". I doubt there were too many vehemently defending Butch &co this year, with the losses to Bama (by that much), SC, and Vandy. They were probably saying, let's not fire him just yet.

3) You have very high standards for this program. That's good. But there are people out there that can be happy with a 9-win season without the amount of disappointment you yourself and surely others obviously endure. Don't hold it against them.

4) I'm probably what you'd consider the "they" and "them" in 2 and 3 respectively.
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Here is my take.

"We're creating a world of dummies. Angry dummies who feel they have the right, the authority and the need not only to comment on everything, but to make sure their voice is heard above the rest, and to drag down any opposing views through personal attacks, loud repetition and confrontation."

Taken from:
https://www.sott.net/article/313177...tellectualism-and-the-dumbing-down-of-America
 
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RTVFL89 said:
It is pretty damn ridiculous how some people on here are hoping for our head coach's failure this next year. Yeah, how great that would be to set our program back 3-4 years. If National Championships are y'all's only idea of success then we've been mediocre since '99. 3 straight bowl wins is pretty damn good if you ask me.
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We must have been mediocre too between 51 and 98. I remember the wilderness of Battle when Johnny had to rebuild. He would have been fired before success in today's world. I don't see people happy with 9 wins. I see people happy with being out of the ditch and back on the road.we want to win but you have to get in the right direction first. I think the fire Jones crowd are the same ones saying Barnes can't coach.
 
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Longsufferingvol said:
I get on here and on the facebook group and it seems like half the fanbase has forgotten what UT football is all about. These are the people who say you are embarrassing if you say anything critical about Jones or the team. I've also seen them rationalize the lack of results with "The SEC is tough" and "Most teams would be happy with an 9-4 record". Have we been in the wilderness so long that people have forgotten that UT is one of the greatest football programs of all time? UT football has won 6 national titles and is at or near the top in a number of categories lncluding bowl appearances and victories and we are only 2nd to Alabama in SEC championships. What's my point? A 9-4 season with losses to Vandy and USCjr would have been seen as very mediocre a decade ago. So why is it ok now? Why are people irrationally defending it? In my opinion, it's a cause for concern. Do we really want to become content with just being mediocre?
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Agreed wholeheartedly; this is not acceptable to us and most likely isn't for the Coaches and Admin. I do have a question though; I have always wondered why we recognize six National Titles but everyone else; including the folks that make banners you can buy; recognize only two?
 
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beamerman said:
We must have been mediocre too between 51 and 98. I remember the wilderness of Battle when Johnny had to rebuild. He would have been fired before success in today's world. I don't see people happy with 9 wins. I see people happy with being out of the ditch and back on the road.we want to win but you have to get in the right direction first. I think the fire Jones crowd are the same ones saying Barnes can't coach.
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I'm definitely not "happy" with 9 wins this year. I just knew we were gonna make a run for the playoffs. I think injuries built up and the whole deal with Hurd etc.. No doubt the SC and Candy games sucked. I just get frustrated with people on here pretty much rooting for Butch's failure this next year. He clearly cares about this program.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
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Should say, "It is claimed."

Claiming the '67 NC is a relatively new thing.
 
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BeecherVol said:
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Lack of pride allows me to admit your comment was formatted more for you the "writer" than me the "reader", and I don't get it.

Of coarse, I could have been prideful and thought I comprehend it correctly and called you delusional, not a true fan or Nancy.

Or, maybe I really am stupid. :)
 
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Behr said:
Lack of pride allows me to admit your comment was formatted more for you the "writer" than me the "reader", and I don't get it.

Of coarse, I could have been prideful and thought I comprehend it correctly and called you delusional, not a true fan or Nancy.

Or, maybe I really am stupid. :)
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Favorite Miller song.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Calling the man Names, poor mouthing his every move, and hoping for losses so the man will be fired is not well deserved criticism.

Also, you went from thinking they were ahead of schedule last year to firing the head coach this year. wow.
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I've never once called for Jones' firing. Don't want him fired. Nor have I ever hoped for any Tennessee losses, just like 99.9% of all UT fans.

I want him to fix the issues on and off the field and win more games so this program can meet/exceed expectations. I'd also personally like to see him grow some thick skin and be much better with how he communicates with the press and fans, but I'd have little to say about that if he had the team winning at the level it should.

As far as 2015, he had us "ahead of schedule" by how the team competed with some very good teams (Oklahoma and Bama primarily), although he left at least 2 wins on the field with poor in game management imo.........however, the program clearly took a step back with its on field play this year, records notwithstanding.

And again, I didn't want him fired last year and I don't want him fired now.....I want him to figure some things out, get some problems fixed and go win 10 games this year. But after watching him for 4 years now I have serious doubts that he's the guy to get us to a championship level and if he takes another step back next year, it'll be time to hire a new head coach imo.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
I have a few thoughts:

1) The internet has made everything an argument. 25% are sensible one way, 25% sensible the other way, and the last 50% are just crazy, loud idiots in every direction.

2) Something tells me you're not hearing the other side if you're using terms like "irrational". I doubt there were too many vehemently defending Butch &co this year, with the losses to Bama (by that much), SC, and Vandy. They were probably saying, let's not fire him just yet.

3) You have very high standards for this program. That's good. But there are people out there that can be happy with a 9-win season without the amount of disappointment you yourself and surely others obviously endure. Don't hold it against them.

4) I'm probably what you'd consider the "they" and "them" in 2 and 3 respectively.
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Along the lines of No. 1.
Just read this passage in a "Tom Clancy" novel by "Mark Greaney" a night or so ago.
" Jack knew well that people with poor character, when allowed to hide behind a pseudonym and shout in others' faces without showing their own, had a tendency to be jackasses."
Does this sound something like a few who post here on VN?...
 
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8-4 , 9-4 , losing four games annually is completely unacceptable, this ain't vandy, scar, ky. :no:
 
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I think what's embarrassing is that the fanbase is critical of Jones's offensive system, yet ignores that it was the highest scoring offense ever. Also, that Tennessee is much better off then before Jones came to coach. The vanderbilt and south carolina losses were bad and being the head coach, he shoulders the blame, but to want him gone is crazy. Does the fanbase want him gone because he can't win the SEC or national championship? That won't happen unless he can challenge alabama in recruiting, and that doesn't seem possible at this point.
 
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Longsufferingvol said:
I get on here and on the facebook group and it seems like half the fanbase has forgotten what UT football is all about. These are the people who say you are embarrassing if you say anything critical about Jones or the team. I've also seen them rationalize the lack of results with "The SEC is tough" and "Most teams would be happy with an 9-4 record". Have we been in the wilderness so long that people have forgotten that UT is one of the greatest football programs of all time? UT football has won 6 national titles and is at or near the top in a number of categories lncluding bowl appearances and victories and we are only 2nd to Alabama in SEC championships. What's my point? A 9-4 season with losses to Vandy and USCjr would have been seen as very mediocre a decade ago. So why is it ok now? Why are people irrationally defending it? In my opinion, it's a cause for concern. Do we really want to become content with just being mediocre?
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They are blind and or fearful...they are just giddy of MCBs and not having dooley. Maybe lesser passion to UT.being great.
 
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tnmarktx said:
I think what's embarrassing is that the fanbase is critical of Jones's offensive system, yet ignores that it was the highest scoring offense ever. Also, that Tennessee is much better off then before Jones came to coach. The vanderbilt and south carolina losses were bad and being the head coach, he shoulders the blame, but to want him gone is crazy. Does the fanbase want him gone because he can't win the SEC or national championship? That won't happen unless he can challenge alabama in recruiting, and that doesn't seem possible at this point.
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Heck they cant touch UGA cruitin or win the east ha
 
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