What is the Logic Behind Keeping Pruitt One More Year?

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There is no logic to another year. We know exactly what he is and what we’re going to get. Inconsistent play and another up and down year where we’re 5-7 or 6-6. It’s obvious it’s time to cut bait based on his previous times. Year 1 was up and down and they could have closed the year out by going to a bowl. A lot of people gave him a pass because these were “butch’s” guys. Year 2 was even more inconsistent with the losses to GA State and BYU. Year 3 people are buy the covid excuse but we drummed a Missouri team that is clearly much improved. The inconsistency is maddening and I think the AD is failing the university by holding on to those minor bright spots. I think with butch it was clear there should have been a change in 15 when he had all the talent but he kept mismanaging games. Now, we have the most talented QB as far as passing abilities since Bray and a DT guy coming in similar to the mold of Dobbs. The defense is littered with talent and a lot of people saw that Tennessee is still hot but CJP couldn’t close with these recruits. We need to pull the plug after we lose by 30 this weekend. It has to happen Sunday morning or honestly why even pay attention to Tennessee football next year? It needs to be Freeze he wants this job. He really wants this job as bad as fans want him. I’ve never seen anything like this before.
 
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Nasavol said:
If it is the buyout, you don’t really save that much. In reality, if you lose around 30% of your attendance, along with a drop off in merchandising, and it can be argued, there is a cost avoidance by cutting him loose now. I’m sure no one thinks he is going to turn anything around.
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1. Buyout PLUS new acquisition costs.
2. No clear idea what next years revenues will be regardless of coach, vaccine or not.
3. Zero no-brainer candidates.
4. Using current bank account to get through COVID for all sports when revenue has plummeted,

It Can all be overcome if enough big money boosters want to fill the voids, initial and sustaining. Know any?

The hidden fears by AD and money guys are PROBABLY if they excite the noisy portion of the fanbase with a guy like Freeze, how many of the more sedate fans quietly trash their ticket applications. A big unknown for sure... I think there will be an inherent comparison to our BB situation where integrity is a major component of the program. It has not been that long ago we brought in a BB coach with a past we thought he had learned from and the present went way bad, Risk is what risk is.
 
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1725gatorhater said:
Doesn’t make sense to me. If college football is back to near full capacity in most stadiums Neyland will be 25% below others and will lose 15-30 million in revenue. We are going to replace Pruitt why prolong the inevitable? If we hire Freeze, Malzahn, Napier or Chadwell we would reach a near full stadium if everything is better with virus this coming season.
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The losses from attendance will not be that high. Regardless of what anyone says, people will flock to Neyland the minute its announced stadiums can go back to no capacity limits after having to deal with for over a year. People are fooling themselves if they think massive number of people wouldn't flock to Neyland for the first few home games just because Pruitt is coach after a year where they couldn't attend games.

Neyland will be packed out the first 3 games which feature Bowling Green, Pitt, and South Alabama. If we don't GSU/BYU those games (I don't think we will because JG won't be around to plague our team), that means we get 3 cupcakes going into a SEC game likely vs Florida or Georgia or who knows, USC.


I know that is assuming a lot, but if we are undefeated rolling into conference play and our conference opener is a home game, it will be packed out.


This fan apathy that's going to cost UT 20-30 million schtick is funny to me..... Neyland will have good size attendance starting out the season. Its up to Pruitt and the Team to make sure it stays that way
 
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Auburn had no problem getting rid of Gus and paying a big buy out.

If Pruitt hadn't lost to multiple teams with clearly inferior talent over his entire tenure then I may just dismiss this year. However, he has lost to those teams....including GA State....how embarrassing.
 
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Knox-a-rue said:
2020 is a weird Covid year with an obviously inferior QB under center for most of it. A regular year with Pruitt's guys becoming upper class men would give a better idea of his mettle.
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Tell that to Malzahn and Muschamp
 
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Nasavol said:
If it is the buyout, you don’t really save that much. In reality, if you lose around 30% of your attendance, along with a drop off in merchandising, and it can be argued, there is a cost avoidance by cutting him loose now. I’m sure no one thinks he is going to turn anything around.
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I think the best reason is the clown show we have had for the past 12 years or so. JP definitely has some growing to do in the head coach area, but I feel that he will get there. It is time for the fan base to show some kind of solid support for the PROGRAM and stop creating a dialogue that would scare half the players away that the coaches are trying to get to come to Tennessee. Johnny Majors would have been fired about 5 times with the expectations of the discontents today.
 
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Nasavol said:
If it is the buyout, you don’t really save that much. In reality, if you lose around 30% of your attendance, along with a drop off in merchandising, and it can be argued, there is a cost avoidance by cutting him loose now. I’m sure no one thinks he is going to turn anything around.
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Foolmer's contract extension and pay raise BEFORE the %@#&%[×@$ season was a brilliant move.
 
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Unless you're willing to hire Freeze or Malzahn, there's not many proven coaches out there right now. There's Matt Campbell, but I have concerns about recruiting... he seems like a better fit for the Big Ten.

Maybe they're thinking about Chadwell or Napier but want to see one or two more years of them being successful, specifically in Chadwell's case. Could be that they still really like Scott Frost and think that if he flounders another year at Nebraska he might be willing to take the Tennessee job, rumor was that we almost had him last go around. It's not totally unrealistic to get someone like Urban Meyer, but letting the buyouts go down a little might be necessary for that.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
You ask the question in the thread title, and frame the question in post #1. Knox-a-rue answers the question in post #5. You summarily dismiss that answer in post #7, proving you never really wanted to learn anything anyway, you just wanted to argue.

As far as I can see, the thread could've ended at that point. At post #7. I doubt anything more useful will get done here. Just another bitching about Jeremy thread.
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Thanks for your input Jeremy, you are dismissed now.
 
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Nasavol said:
If it is the buyout, you don’t really save that much. In reality, if you lose around 30% of your attendance, along with a drop off in merchandising, and it can be argued, there is a cost avoidance by cutting him loose now. I’m sure no one thinks he is going to turn anything around.
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Buyout is one.

Then... there is the possibility that Fulmer and others truly believe Pruitt is making progress in player development that cannot yet be seen on gameday. Not saying I believe it... just acknowledging that Pruitt has claimed it publicly and is undoubtedly selling it hard to those who will actually make the decision. Caveat- IMHO, this would be just as much of a reason to make a move as not. It would mean that the next HC is well set up to succeed.

The other consideration is recruiting. This is a very "Fulmer-like", need filling recruiting classes with guys who will be expected to contribute early and others that will play in 2 or 3 years. The 3 OL's are massive and two have impressive offer lists in spite of their 3* ranking. Would a change help or harm recruiting/the roster?
 
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The buyout is only a consideration because of the COVID compromised revenue streams, IMO. If you, as a decision maker, are convinced that CJP is not the guy, the cost difference between firing him now and firing him next year is pretty negligible. But, I could understand the argument that they don't want to incur ANY additional voluntary costs associated with the AD until they get a better grasp on what future revenue streams are going to look like. In short, if they thought CJP was a bust, and it was any other "normal" year, they should just let him go now.

It's also possible that they think he does have a chance to be successful with more opportunity. Again, I am not arguing anything. But, there may be decision makers who believe it.
 
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volfan_28 said:
Unless you're willing to hire Freeze or Malzahn, there's not many proven coaches out there right now. There's Matt Campbell, but I have concerns about recruiting... he seems like a better fit for the Big Ten.

Maybe they're thinking about Chadwell or Napier but want to see one or two more years of them being successful, specifically in Chadwell's case. Could be that they still really like Scott Frost and think that if he flounders another year at Nebraska he might be willing to take the Tennessee job, rumor was that we almost had him last go around. It's not totally unrealistic to get someone like Urban Meyer, but letting the buyouts go down a little might be necessary for that.
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Frost, no. Meyer just turned down Texas. Said having health issues
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
The buyout is only a consideration because of the COVID compromised revenue streams, IMO. If you, as a decision maker, are convinced that CJP is not the guy, the cost difference between firing him now and firing him next year is pretty negligible. But, I could understand the argument that they don't want to incur ANY additional voluntary costs associated with the AD until they get a better grasp on what future revenue streams are going to look like. In short, if they thought CJP was a bust, and it was any other "normal" year, they should just let him go now.

It's also possible that they think he does have a chance to be successful with more opportunity. Again, I am not arguing anything. But, there may be decision makers who believe it.
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The way I look at it, is that the AD is missing out on an opportunity to capitalize on the economic surge that will inevitably occur in late 2021 when enough vaccines have been distributed to get a handle on the infection rates. People will want to travel because they haven't been able to, and will want to have a "normal" football season because they didn't get one this year.

If UT had a prominent new coach breathing life back into the program, they could ride that wave into a filled stadium and increased merchandise sales, that wouldn't eliminate, but would offset the costs of the buyout.

Keeping Pruitt is going to ensure that at the very least, attendance is stagnant, or dropping depending on how the season plays out in the beginning.
 
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BeardedVol said:
The way I look at it, is that the AD is missing out on an opportunity to capitalize on the economic surge that will inevitably occur in late 2021 when enough vaccines have been distributed to get a handle on the infection rates. People will want to travel because they haven't been able to, and will want to have a "normal" football season because they didn't get one this year.

If UT had a prominent new coach breathing life back into the program, they could ride that wave into a filled stadium and increased merchandise sales, that wouldn't eliminate, but would offset the costs of the buyout.

Keeping Pruitt is going to ensure that at the very least, attendance is stagnant, or dropping depending on how the season plays out in the beginning.
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Yours is a very reasonable position. But as we know, some can be very conservative.
 
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Pruitt could conceivably fall into the very hole he’s now digging, couldn’t he?
 
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Nasavol said:
Thanks for your input Jeremy, you are dismissed now.
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Yes, because if someone doesn't agree with and support you, they are automatically Jeremy Pruitt. They must be, because everyone else agrees with you.

Is that your logic train? Heh. :)
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yes, because if someone doesn't agree with and support you, they are automatically Jeremy Pruitt. They must be, because everyone else agrees with you.

Is that your logic train? Heh. :)
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No, those who don’t bring anything to the discussion other than to try and discredit someone, those are, well this site doesn’t allow me to call them what they are, so Pruitt will have to do. You are dismissed.

SJT makes a good logical argument, that is what is was asking.
 
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The logic is Fulmer won’t because he just gave the guy an extension. Fire Fulmer first, then let the new AD find the coach. I dont want Fulmer involved with it.
 
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