What happened with Kendrick? Concussion rumors (merged)

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fade route said:
The only way this is a story is if the medical staff admit that Butch overruled them and played the player against their advice.
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which he can't do. the rules take it out of the coaches' hands at that point.

plus you have refs that are looking out for anything that might resemble concussion symptoms, other players, coaches....there's a whole host of protocols involved here that would have to be overlooked, missed or just flat out ignored for this to happen at this point.

edit...and if that's what happened, then yeah, of course he should be fired for it. i think, though, this is a pretty heavy accusation that should be able to be verified fairly easily, given all the protocols that exist today...you can talk to the refs and ask for what they saw on the field, you can interview the medical staff, and Kendrick, and other players. it would be pretty easy to figure out if this really happened....not that the concussion happened, that they willfully played him in spite of having one. and it's not like we haven't pulled players and held them out before w/concussion like symptoms.
 
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Chilmonty said:
Unless Kendrick comes out and says "I told coach and Dr's I needed to go out, my head hurt, and coach said Shutup and go back in!" then this is all just rumor and will amount to nothing!

Innocent until proven guilty! Seems like I read that somewhere?? :blink:

And yes I do want Butch Fired Yesterday!!



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Agree. The whole concussion protocol is out of the head coaches’ hands, it’s a team doctor thing. People are unnecessarily reaching here imo.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
It’s not fake news. Go back and watch the video
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What? The video at that link? I don't see wobbly. I see him moving when all the other linemen move. Nothing I can see indicates a problem. Having said that you cannot and do not use video to diagnose a concussion. There's a criteria that leads to that diagnosis by medical staff. Film review doesn't cut it.

As for the other allegations, that's all they are....internet rumor and allegations by posters. Until a player, parent or coach steps up and makes a comment or confirms this stuff, it's still innocent until proven guilty in this republic.
 
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BurninOrange said:
It is very true and very real. Kendrick was put at harms risk for more than just a concussion. When the dust settles I would not be surprised if more than just the skiffs Butch has had here comes out while he was at other places.
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already been mentioned by one of his players from UC a couple years ago. from the sound of it, it may not have been a rare occurrence up there.
 
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fade route said:
The only way this is a story is if the medical staff admit that Butch overruled them and played the player against their advice.
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Or if Butch was made aware of the situation by the player (I've had players say things to me like "I don't remember the last series). And CBJ never alerted the medical staff.
 
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JJH said:
FWIW, my android phone doesn't have a "Search Forum" option that another poster mentioned. I personally don't mind when some posts a thread that someone else has. I might have missed the previous post. A re-post doesn't hurt me and if its aproblem the mods will take care of it anyway.
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FYI the search link is at the bottom of each page. It's not as robust as the desktop search but it is available
 
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CAVPUT said:
What? The video at that link? I don't see wobbly. I see him moving when all the other linemen move. Nothing I can see indicates a problem. Having said that you cannot and do not use video to diagnose a concussion. There's a criteria that leads to that diagnosis by medical staff. Film review doesn't cut it.

As for the other allegations, that's all they are....internet rumor and allegations by posters. Until a player, parent or coach steps up and makes a comment or confirms this stuff, it's still innocent until proven guilty in this republic.
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he had 2 staff with him when he walked off the field, you could tell he wasnt right. watch the game, its obvious he wasnt all there for a lot of the game.
 
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KBVol said:
Agree. The whole concussion protocol is out of the head coaches’ hands, it’s a team doctor thing. People are unnecessarily reaching here imo.
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Exactly. It was done that way so situations like this can't happen.
 
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KBVol said:
Agree. The whole concussion protocol is out of the head coaches’ hands, it’s a team doctor thing. People are unnecessarily reaching here imo.
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It's very possible the staff could've known and because of their lack of depth on the oline and it being a must win, they never informed the medical staff.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I feel the same. Hopefully he is ok. If this really happened and Butch knew, I hope Kendrick files criminal charges against Butch.
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My brother received a head injury in a game in high school. He was clearly stunned and my dad went on the field and cussed the coach out and took my brother off the field and to the hospital. This was 40 years ago. The parents should speak out if this is true!
 
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smokey0625 said:
Th kid lied about Leach. Took a vid of him in a dark room and said leach was forcing him to stay in their. It was the sports analyst kid.
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Adam James...son of Craig. It was dramatized but Leach did put him in there. He was doing his eccentric, crusty old schtick thing at a school that adored him and had employed Bob Knight...learned this is the sensitive, ESPN OTL world now. Now he’s eccentric and educated.
 
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utvolpj said:
Exactly. It was done that way so situations like this can't happen.
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If the training staff isn't aware that something may be wrong with a player then they don't know to check him out. It's certainly possible that the coaches knew something was wrong with him and didn't tell the training staff because they knew he would fail whatever tests they might administer for a concussion.
 
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DaUndergroundMan said:
Yeah craig james' son. I thought it was BS from the getgo. But, he did put him in an equipment closet I believe, and in typical Leach smartass fashion(which I love) he said something like, "I did what I was supposed to, put him in a dark place." I always resented the kid using daddy to start up a lynch mob against Leach. Any other athlete and it wouldnt have been an issue.

Thing is he didnt do anything as extreme as what is being, and has been (hurd) alleged with Jones. And it got him fired from a place he was a hero at. Also consider concussion awareness wasn't nearly at the level then that it is now.

I've rewatched the game, and its pretty sickening, and I aint just talking bout losing to Kentucky. I specifically watched Kendrick. He was obviously struggling with basic stuff, not just blocking, he looked concussed or wounded, or sick and feverish from a distance. Tell me how thats not noticed or talked about on the sidelines.

And go ahead and take into consideration that we are so thin at Offensive Line, probably thinner than anyone in power 5, and add in how notoriously untrusting Butch is of inexperienced players, how notoriously terrible he is at having backups coached up and ready to perform, and how Jones may have been coaching for his job....

Think about all that, and it dont look good.
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I commented to my wife during the game that I had never seen Kendrick play so bad. He looked lost.
 
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AllVol11717 said:
Direct quote from the article, "It is unclear when and what Jones knew himself." This article is as click-bait as it gets, having a title implying Butch's culpability and then deep in the article stating that there is actually no evidence that Butch knowingly played a concussed player.

Now it in no respect clears him either, he may very well have known the whole time, but it's no indicator either way. I just think the whole fanbase is anxiously looking for any way to get him gone as soon as possible, and this writer knows he can get more views through framing the scenario around Butch.

What might be the saddest part of all this is that a concussed Kendrick was still blocking exponentially better than a healthy Drew Richmond.
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Couldn’t tell. :unsure:
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Wafflestomper said:
If the training staff isn't aware that something may be wrong with a player then they don't know to check him out. It's certainly possible that the coaches knew something was wrong with him and didn't tell the training staff because they knew he would fail whatever tests they might administer for a concussion.
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Seeing him for a second and knowing he was concussed are 2 different things. The training staff is instructed to look for those things. The head coach shouldn't be responsible for checking the health of every player in the middle of a game
 
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utvolpj said:
Seeing him for a second and knowing he was concussed are 2 different things. The training staff is instructed to look for those things. The head coach shouldn't be responsible for checking the health of every player in the middle of a game
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It's very common that a player will say things to you that should 100% lead to you (the coach) sending them to the medical staff. I've had countless players tell me they couldn't remember the last series and I sent all of them to our trainer.

That very well could've happened here, except CBJ didn't send him to the trainer
 
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utvolpj said:
Seeing him for a second and knowing he was concussed are 2 different things. The training staff is instructed to look for those things. The head coach shouldn't be responsible for checking the health of every player in the middle of a game
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Someone said they saw him on his knees in the huddle during a timeout. Shouldn't that warrant some kind of inquiry?
 
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there's a lot to unpack on this. i don't remember any single play that Kendrick went down and required any immediate attention. if he was having symptoms in a case like that, then he may be the only one that knows it. and if he's not calling for attention, he may not receive it. i don't know that i've seen anything where Kendrick asked to be taken out of the game? and that was refused?

and again, if there were noticeable, visible signs of an issue with him, the training staff are trained to look for those signs. and if at any point they decide he needs to go thru the concussion protocol, the coach has no say in the matter. further, the refs can also call for medical attention to a player if they notice anything...anything....that may be concussion symptom related. other players can say something. they have trainers in the press box or replay box up top looking for any evidence of stuff like this as well.

and i have yet to see anything that says we a)had a report of the symptoms until there were (throwing up) b) that the coaches ignored any advice given by medical or training staff.

again, if it comes out that Kendrick told a coach, any coach, that he wasn't right, and the coach told him not to worry about it and go back in, then all bets are off.

but that hasn't been established.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
Someone said they saw him on his knees in the huddle during a timeout. Shouldn't that warrant some kind of inquiry?
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then it should be easily found on game film

Inquiry into whom? There is staff specifically trained to look for this stuff. I just have a hard time putting this on any hc in the middle of a game
 
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