#WeWantToPlay

#76
#76
Rasputin_Vol said:
Fantasy football and gambling should be the only reasons you watch pro football. Those are good enough for me to care about them playing. That was why I was so pizzed Kap didn't get a shot... I cold have used him on my bench as a bye week QB.
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That's silly reasoning. Most people watch it for the enjoyment and love of it. Maybe that's why YOU watch it
 
#77
#77
Orange_Crush said:
Face it. Would minor league football (without the college affiliations) be as popular and rich as NCAA football?

I say their gripe is misplaced. I don't think they should be going after the colleges for money. They're getting a free education on two fronts:

  1. A free education:
    1. This generation can't on one hand say that that benefit is of little worth while also claiming we need to pay off their student loans because the debt load is unbearable. make up your minds.
  2. Free coaching to get them to the next level of the NFL.
If they want to rail against something, rail against the policy that the NFL won't accept anyone that hasn't already graduated. I don't think even that would go anywhere, but that policy effectively turns the NCAA into the NFL pipeline and forces players to play in college for their payday. But that isn't the same as saying that the players "deserve"m more for their play in college.
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I'm of the opinion that they should be allowed to sell their likenesses, because I don't think there's a way you could make a system work where they were paid directly by the NCAA, the conferences, or the schools. However, it's really clear, especially from reading the Pac-12 players' statement, that they clearly haven't thought through all the implications of this.
 
#79
#79
PlanetVolunteer said:
Still much to learn, but there is evidence it fights off this coronavirus.

Much of the research points to the group immunity being around 20 percent. Up to 80 percent of the people could have t cell immunity. This can depend on a groups geographic location, but in its entirety,,, the studies point towards a brighter future and really contradict the fear latent narratives out there.

Just look at every place that has been hit hard. Italy, NY, Spain, and Sweden (id argue they didn't really get hit that hard)

Big numbers in the beginning and they have tapered off tremendously. Seems as if the virus has run its course and unfortunately taken many of the vulnerable with it. We are also protecting the elderly and vulnerable way better in general, that's why the death rates haven't skyrocketed. It's passing to the people who brush it off and less and less vulnerable folks are getting it. Florida, Zona, and Texas have all hit their peak. Hospitalizations are down to mid-June levels in Florida. Sweden is having basically zero deaths a day now.

Immunity appears to be happening. Memory T cells last on average six months. Naive T cells up to nine years. The treatments are also getting better and better. We also know who is most effected by it. Therefore, even if the vaccine has an efficacy rate of 50 percent it will still probably work well enough for us to completely rid ourselves of the fear from it.

Ihttps://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/08/reasons-for-covid-19-optimism-on-t-cells-and-herd-immunity.html
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We are indeed in the early stages of collecting epidemiological and serological data about this virus. There is much more to be learned Only time will answer the questions about the duration of T cell memory of this virus. My fear is that it will follow T cell memory of its sister Corona viruses which cause many outbreaks of the common cold. There are also multiple reports of apparent reinfections of Covid infection 3 or more months after initial infections. Again only time can provide data needed to answer the many questions for which definite answers are unknown.
 
#86
#86
Dumbledorange said:
That's one player not "players". Bet you that many of the bottom feeders who are never going to see the playing field aren't jumping out of their jocks to play.
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Actually, bottom feeders are the guys I'd expect the most to want to play. They have the least to lose and the most to gain. Trevor Lawrence, in contrast, has the least to gain from playing football this season. It's the guys who know they're going to be drafted anyway that would be looking the most for ways to not play this season, IMO, just like how they are the ones who sit out of non-championship bowl games too.
 
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#88
05_never_again said:
Actually, bottom feeders are the guys I'd expect the most to want to play. They have the least to lose and the most to gain. Trevor Lawrence, in contrast, has the least to gain from playing football this season. It's the guys who know they're going to be drafted anyway that would be looking the most for ways to not play this season, IMO, just like how they are the ones who sit out of non-championship bowl games too.
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If I'm COVID neg and I'm never/rarely seen the playing field and my choices are to play with the high potentiality of getting infected or continue on my education, graduate and get on with life, I have zero problems making that choice.
 
#89
#89
Dumbledorange said:
If I'm COVID neg and I'm never/rarely seen the playing field and my choices are to play with the high potentiality of getting infected or continue on my education, graduate and get on with life, I have zero problems making that choice.
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Good for you. Others should do as they desire also.
 
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#91
#91
Dumbledorange said:
If I'm COVID neg and I'm never/rarely seen the playing field and my choices are to play with the high potentiality of getting infected or continue on my education, graduate and get on with life, I have zero problems making that choice.
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Yeah, that's you. I bet most of the non-superstar guys want to play - they know that their football days are done once college is over and want to enjoy it. The guys with pro aspirations, on average, I bet have more misgivings about playing. Trevor Lawrence, for example, has very little, almost nothing to gain from playing this season as it pertains to his NFL draft stock. Superstars also are probably far more likely to think that the current system is taking advantage of them anyway, which makes it even easier to opt out.
 
#96
#96
Cartervol said:
College football got highjacked by politics this year... They're not going to play because of a virus with a 99.8 percent rate of survival and now a list of demands by players. Running from this virus was never the answer and has made life worse for everyone.
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The case fatality rate is 3.3 percent (as of 4 days ago), not 0.2
 
#99
#99
ksgovols said:
Right. Minor league football players should try and survive in a minor league baseball or g league basketball environment for awhile and see how that compares with the amenities they have at a P5 school. This is the wrong time for a list of demands from college football players.
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It is the right time. The schools want to play and the athletes have leverage for the first time in history.
 
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