Were we wrong? I thought it was the Haslam’s fault.

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Skippy95 said:
That’s a good point. I think that some people just hated his record and that was disingenuous.
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Maybe for some but if it was JUST about the record I don't think Schiano Sunday happens. He's a much more proven, more accomplished head coach than Pruitt was or is. It was absolutely about the Penn State scandal that caused the uproar.
 
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clarencepeabody said:
I’ve never understood the Haslam hate. If it weren’t for them, and their donations, we wouldn’t have anywhere near the facilities we do. And I’ve only met Jimmy a couple times (never met Bill), but Big Jim Haslam is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met.

And yet, people on here slam them constantly. Just don’t get it.
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We have nots and have littles almost always pick at the haves. Jealously? Part of the problem. Envy? Also part of the problem. We are also nearly always willing to blame the haves for our plight. They on the other hand pay little attention to us and go on gathering more have.;)
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Maybe for some but if it was JUST about the record I don't think Schiano Sunday happens. He's a much more proven, more accomplished head coach than Pruitt was or is. It was absolutely about the Penn State scandal that caused the uproar.
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I really hope you’re right, but I feel like it’s hard to judge people’s true intentions nowadays.
 
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Pretty sure it was Paul Depodesta who picked Stefanski, not Haslam.

It seems Haslam has finally realized being born into the CEO position at Pilot doesn't make him an expert in football and he isn't meddling in the operation as much
 
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Roustabout said:
He was winning at Rutgers. I even posted his stats for his last seven years.

Win the SEC? Dude, we suck monkey balls and you are talking about winning the SEC? We aren’t comparing Schiano to Saban. I’m comparing him to Pruitt, because like it or not, that’s who we got after one of the most absurd and embarrassing coaching searches in the history of college football.

This is the level of delusion we are dealing with. I’m saying we’d be better off right now if Schiano had been hired. Period. Get it?
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That's your opinion vs my opinion and I never said anything about us winning the SEC. I said win in the SEC. I get what your were saying but I disagree with it. Just to throw something at you, yes he was winning games at Rutgers but he wasn't winning many conference games and that is what matters. in 10 years he got 2nd place 2 times and the rest were middle of the pack (if you add the 12 years he was there he was average 5-6 best in the BIGEast/BigTen, so would he be better than Pruitt at TN no one knows but I don't think he would. You look at the great coaches they won and won good at smaller schools and Schiano was barely above .500.
 
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VolsSince78 said:
Browns are 45-94 since Little Jimmy took ownership nine years ago, including their first playoff game last night, and 16 first round picks including Johnny Manziel. NFL business model calls for each team to be 8-8, but here’s Little Jimmy’s Browns at 45-94. No Thanks.

And Schiano was the Assistant Head Coach at OSU when Urban was suspended. During suspension, OSU named a position coach as Interim Head Coach instead of their Assistant Head Coach Schiano. OSU got it right on that deal. Schiano’s good for Rutgers. We need better!
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Do you think they was going to make Schiano Head Coach after what happened at Tennessee? If he would have never talked to Tennessee he would be Ohio State's head coach .
 
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Roustabout said:
The Brown’s (Haslam’s team) are stomping the living crap out of Pittsburgh. No question, they have front officed this team from the depths of the sewer to legitimacy.

Looking back, There is little doubt in my mind that Schiano would have been an immensely better choice than Pruitt. Not saying he would have been a great hire, but I think the powers that be may have known we weren’t going to get any better.
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Unfortunately for UT, it seems like there is a lack of fortitude, know-how, and leadership and every level and phase of UT football.
 
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It was never a choice of Schiano or Pruitt, so your premise is already flawed. The fact that Pruitt was wrong doesn't make Schiano any better of an option.

If I know something is a crap sandwich and instead choose something else that eventually turns into a turd burger, that doesn't mean the orginal crap sandwich was the correct choice. It just means both options were different types of crap sandwiches, and I need to make better choices.
 
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Carp said:
It was never a choice of Schiano or Pruitt, so your premise is already flawed. The fact that Pruitt was wrong doesn't make Schiano any better of an option.

If I know something is a crap sandwich and instead choose something else that eventually turns into a turd burger, that doesn't mean the orginal crap sandwich was the correct choice. It just means both options were different types of crap sandwiches, and I need to make better choices.
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Need I go back through the search for you? First choice Mullen went to UF. Overtures were made to Chip Kelly (Schiano was announced a day after Kelly picked UCLA) wasnt interested. Schiano was always the contingency candidate if we we struck out on the few big names we were wanting. I’d say it was a pretty smart plan. The Schiano fiasco led to us being turned down by Gundy and Brohom. Almost hiring pirate boy and Dave Doren. This subsequently led to firing the AD with a massive buyout and the chancellor.

It was absolutely that choice. I mean, it couldn’t be any clearer. The reason we have Pruitt is Vol fans blew a gasket over Schiano’s hiring. The guy was absolutely 100% hired, so I don’t know WTF you are talking about.
 
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Roustabout said:
Need I go back through the search for you? First choice Mullen went to UF. Overtures were made to Chip Kelly (Schiano was announced a day after Kelly picked UCLA) wasnt interested. Schiano was always the contingency candidate if we we struck out on the few big names we were wanting. I’d say it was a pretty smart plan. The Schiano fiasco led to us being turned down by Gundy and Brohom. Almost hiring pirate boy and Dave Doren. This subsequently led to firing the AD with a massive buyout and the chancellor.

It was absolutely that choice. I mean, it couldn’t be any clearer. The reason we have Pruitt is Vol fans blew a gasket over Schiano’s hiring. The guy was absolutely 100% hired, so I don’t know WTF you are talking about.
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I think the point is (at least to me) Pruitt didn't have to be the choice at the time. PF decided he was the best option from the people he interviewed. Pruitt was hired 6 days after AD turnover (I think I remember correctly), so was a full search conducted or did we jump at an unqualified person for expediency's sake?
 
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Roustabout said:
Need I go back through the search for you? First choice Mullen went to UF. Overtures were made to Chip Kelly (Schiano was announced a day after Kelly picked UCLA) wasnt interested. Schiano was always the contingency candidate if we we struck out on the few big names we were wanting. I’d say it was a pretty smart plan. The Schiano fiasco led to us being turned down by Gundy and Brohom. Almost hiring pirate boy and Dave Doren. This subsequently led to firing the AD with a massive buyout and the chancellor.

It was absolutely that choice. I mean, it couldn’t be any clearer. The reason we have Pruitt is Vol fans blew a gasket over Schiano’s hiring. The guy was absolutely 100% hired, so I don’t know WTF you are talking about.
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That implies the only options were either Schiano or Pruitt. Clearly that wasn't the case. Hell, even Mike Leach was offered the position and was going to take it before rescinding the offer. And that ignores the fact that there were literally countless other candidates that were available to be hired.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
I wouldn't use this one game with the Browns as some shining example as to the Haslam's football competency. Pittsburgh has pretty much gifted the Browns 21 points.

The Haslams have a lot of money, but there is no doubt in my mind they have zero clue how to hire coaches and build a successful program. Schiano being marginally better than Pruitt would not be some hard feat. It's not hard to get much worse than 3-7.
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The browns drafted Johnny football Manziel.
 
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Roustabout said:
The Brown’s (Haslam’s team) are stomping the living crap out of Pittsburgh. No question, they have front officed this team from the depths of the sewer to legitimacy.

Looking back, There is little doubt in my mind that Schiano would have been an immensely better choice than Pruitt. Not saying he would have been a great hire, but I think the powers that be may have known we weren’t going to get any better.
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Still no to Schiano. If he was a great coach why was he not hired at OSU? No thanks.
 
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Roustabout said:
The Brown’s (Haslam’s team) are stomping the living crap out of Pittsburgh. No question, they have front officed this team from the depths of the sewer to legitimacy.

Looking back, There is little doubt in my mind that Schiano would have been an immensely better choice than Pruitt. Not saying he would have been a great hire, but I think the powers that be may have known we weren’t going to get any better.
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They hired Kevin Costner as GM. He had a really good Draft Day a couple of years ago. :cool:
 
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Roustabout said:
The Brown’s (Haslam’s team) are stomping the living crap out of Pittsburgh. No question, they have front officed this team from the depths of the sewer to legitimacy.

Looking back, There is little doubt in my mind that Schiano would have been an immensely better choice than Pruitt. Not saying he would have been a great hire, but I think the powers that be may have known we weren’t going to get any better.
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As soon as they hired the money all guy I was excited to see what would happen
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Why does everyone assume that someone with poor grammar couldn’t be an intelligent football coach? Of course Pruitt turned out to not be good at all, but I am tired of seeing people pick on his grammar. And I am a certified grammar Nazi of the highest order 😉 We Are hiring football coaches here, not faculty to teach comparative literature.
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I know many very intelligent people that use poor grammar. OTOH, I don't know many people that are college grads that are so horrible at basic subject, verb agreement. Most intelligent people that have access to higher education are smart enough to understand the need to communicate effectively.

I would agree that you don't have to be eloquent to be an effective football coach and while communication skills aren't Pruitt's main problem, I think the results on the field and his communication skills indicates that he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Imo, he is a very aggressive coach that can perform tasks when supervised by a strong leader. He's not a person that possesses the intelligence or personality to lead and inspire a staff of professional men.
 
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rocytop2624 said:
Do you think they was going to make Schiano Head Coach after what happened at Tennessee? If he would have never talked to Tennessee he would be Ohio State's head coach .
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Meyer was suspended while OSU figured out how they would handle the issue of Meyer covering for his coach Zach Smith, who was deep in spousal abuse allegations. OSU would have been hammered by some righteous media and fans if they suspended a coach for possible spousal abuse cover up, and hired a replacement who was linked to a child rape cover up.

So, no I don’t think OSU would have promoted Schiano to Head Coach even if the UT protest against Schiano didn’t happen. Just my opinion.

Not a Schiano hater. Just hopeful that UT can do better than him (and Pruitt).
 
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Roustabout said:
The Brown’s (Haslam’s team) are stomping the living crap out of Pittsburgh. No question, they have front officed this team from the depths of the sewer to legitimacy.

Looking back, There is little doubt in my mind that Schiano would have been an immensely better choice than Pruitt. Not saying he would have been a great hire, but I think the powers that be may have known we weren’t going to get any better.
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Browns HCs since being purchased by Haslam in 2012
Pat Shurmer 2012
Rob Chudzinski 2013
Mike Pettine 2014-2015
Hue Jackson 2016-2018* (fired after 8 games)
Greg Williams 2018* (interim 8 games)
Freddie Kitchens 2019
Kevin Stefanski 2020

Browns GMs since being purchased by Haslam in 2012
Tom Heckert 2012
Michael Lombardi 2013
Ray Farmer 2014-2015
Sashi Brown 2016-2017
John Dorsey 2018-2019
Andrew Berry 2020

They literally hired and fired their way through the NFL for 8 years before they found any significate level of success. Believing that they would be correct about Schiano being a good coach for UT is frankly laughable.
 
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Nasavol said:
Honest question, can I get an honest answer, do you really think that Schiano didn’t know anything about the Sandusky sexual assaults? Do you think Paterno did?
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I am past thinking about that. I am not sure Paterno really grasped what he was being told. Not sure he wasn't experiencing a bit of borderline dementia at the time. As to Schiano, I seem to recall the only person that might have mentioned his name was McQueary. And since he did not man up and put a stop to what he saw when he saw it? I would find it hard to believe anything he says. But that was a mess for every member of that staff, including those who never witnessed anything, and those who might have but did not suspect anything at the time.

But as to the outrage to Schiano being offered the job? In hindsight? Butch Jones should have been retained one more year. Even if the Sandusky stuff had never happened, I don't think Schiano would have worked out.
 
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TNnative said:
I am past thinking about that. I am not sure Paterno really grasped what he was being told. Not sure he wasn't experiencing a bit of borderline dementia at the time. As to Schiano, I seem to recall the only person that might have mentioned his name was McQueary. And since he did not man up and put a stop to what he saw when he saw it? I would find it hard to believe anything he says. But that was a mess for every member of that staff, including those who never witnessed anything, and those who might have but did not suspect anything at the time.

But as to the outrage to Schiano being offered the job? In hindsight? Butch Jones should have been retained one more year. Even if the Sandusky stuff had never happened, I don't think Schiano would have worked out.
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I only asked the question to reiterate why there was uproar over the hire. The Sandusky atrocity was still somewhat fresh.
 
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