"Welfare"

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InVOLuntary said:
Are you seriously this dense? Let me spell it out for you.

I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY! I WISH I HAD ALL THE MONEY SWINDLED FROM ME OVER THE YEARS IN THE FORM OF SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES. I REALIZE I'LL MIST LIKELY RECEIVE WHAT I PAID IN. HOWEVER, SINCE I DID PAY IN, I DAMN WELL EXPECT TO GET SOME OF IT BACK WHEN I RETIRE.

YOU ARE YOUNG SO YOU'LL BE SUPPORTING ME DURING MY RETIREMENT YEARS. THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE.
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Nobody ever said you are a proponent. You objected to a meme that mocks people for being hypocritical about entitlements. That's why I'm explaining why it's an entitlement. Calm down.

Everybody pays taxes. Literally everybody, and nobody pays all taxes. The fact that they call one tax a SS tax makes no difference to the question of whether or not the government program with the same name is the redistribution of wealth. Do they take wealth from people and then give it to others? It's a simple question with a simple answer. If your money had actually been invested and earning, waiting to come back to you, you'd have a point, but when you collect, it'll be coming from other people's paychecks, just like welfare. It's even less sustainable than welfare.
 
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Biopsyman said:
That why energy independence is a must.. we have been in the Middle East for no reason except for oil ...
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Well, don't get it twisted. We don't need Middle East oil to run our economy. We get an overwhelming majority of our energy needs from this hemisphere (our own domestic production plus Mexico, and Canada).

We need the oil priced and sold in USD to help prop up our currency. That is why Middle East oil is important.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Nobody ever said you are a proponent. You objected to a meme that mocks people for being hypocritical about entitlements. That's why I'm explaining why it's an entitlement. Calm down.

Everybody pays taxes. Literally everybody, and nobody pays all taxes. The fact that they call one tax a SS tax makes no difference to the question of whether or not the government program with the same name is the redistribution of wealth. Do they take wealth from people and then give it to others? It's a simple question with a simple answer. If your money had actually been invested and earning, waiting to come back to you, you'd have a point, but when you collect, it'll be coming from other people's paychecks, just like welfare. It's even less sustainable than welfare.
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It's not hypocritical. It's two different things. I can't believe you are that dense. I've obviously given you way too much credit. One you pay in in hopes you get something back. The other you don't pay in but receive. I can't help your memes suck. Try harder.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Nobody ever said you are a proponent. You objected to a meme that mocks people for being hypocritical about entitlements. That's why I'm explaining why it's an entitlement. Calm down.

Everybody pays taxes. Literally everybody, and nobody pays all taxes. The fact that they call one tax a SS tax makes no difference to the question of whether or not the government program with the same name is the redistribution of wealth. Do they take wealth from people and then give it to others? It's a simple question with a simple answer. If your money had actually been invested and earning, waiting to come back to you, you'd have a point, but when you collect, it'll be coming from other people's paychecks, just like welfare. It's even less sustainable than welfare.
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Here, let's step back a mo... I know you understand the material below, but you seem to want to extrapolate your point. I paid in to SS and Medicare, and I shall receive those benefits... Simple facts, simple answer.

Beyond that... I agree the SS system is a CF that likely is in deep sheit... so Huffie, keep working and try to get a promotion so you can contribute more to the fund... that is all we ask. By the by, as you can see Welfare, Medicade are not meant for non-citizens.

Non-contributory Programs - Welfare

Welfare Programs include 13 separate programs to fight poverty (see U.S. Welfare Programs) and the Medicaid Program which provides health care to low-income Americans. Welfare Programs and Medicaid are non-contributory, meaning recipients are entitled to the benefits even though they have made no contributions to the programs through taxes. Welfare Programs are targeted to low-income individuals and families. While the programs represent a legal right available to all Americans, the exercise of that right is fully dependent on the level of income of the individual of family. Only low-income Americans qualify for benefits.

Contributory Programs

Entitlement Programs also include Social Security, Medicare and Unemployment insurance. Social Security provides retirement and disability benefits, Medicare provides health care for elderly Americans and Unemployment Insurance provides benefits to working age adults out of work. All Americans and their employers must participate in the programs by paying payroll taxes as defined by federal law. While the programs are an entitlement available to all Americans in order to qualify for benefits recipients must have worked and made contributions to the programs by paying taxes.
 
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but you will never receive back what you paid in. at best for someone my age, and I think huff is at the same point, we are looking at best for a 50% return. at best. its far more likely I get nothing in return than I get 50%.

That's wealth redistribution.

also just because they eventually give you someone else's money later doesn't mean its ok that they took from you. that same money, if we maintained control, would be directly accessible now to us now, instead of facing early withdrawl from SS; and would likely be gaining value. You have taken money away for the promise of future money that I don't have access to. and you have denied me the ability to invest that money and grow its potential. when you look at the ROI it reads as wealth redistribution.

its a ponzi scheme just like the rest of welfare. it depends on an ever increasing number of people paying in to make the math work.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Are you seriously this dense? Let me spell it out for you.

I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY! I WISH I HAD ALL THE MONEY SWINDLED FROM ME OVER THE YEARS IN THE FORM OF SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES. I REALIZE I'LL MIST LIKELY RECEIVE WHAT I PAID IN. HOWEVER, SINCE I DID PAY IN, I DAMN WELL EXPECT TO GET SOME OF IT BACK WHEN I RETIRE.

YOU ARE YOUNG SO YOU'LL BE SUPPORTING ME DURING MY RETIREMENT YEARS. THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE.
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I wish they would write me a single check into my 401k for the 15% of my salary that has been robbed from me since 1983. I don't even need interest, just give me the cash into my 401k and I will waive SS.
 
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n_huffhines said:
We're not talking about life being fair. We're talking about government transferring wealth.
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Did they pay a higher percentage of their incomes than I did? Did I miss something? We are actually taxing lower incomes more than 15% now?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Don't put quotes around a phrase I did not say and didn't imply.

I'm saying social security is not fair. Life will never be fair, but I think government should strive to have fair policies. Do you disagree?

Nobody gives a **** about what you did. It's not all about you. I could share my personal anecdotes, but it won't change what is generally true. We're talking about Americans in general terms. Of course individual cases will vary.
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SS is one of the most fair policies they have. EVERYONE pays the same percentage of their income into this pool up to a certain income level. Everyone draws from this pool up to a certain income level.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's not about need. When did you guys turn into communists?

You'll ***** all day about welfare, but when there are transfers of wealth that benefit you it's "life isn't fair" and "they don't need it".

hypocrites
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Because it isn't transfer of wealth. It is the closest thing to a fair tax that we have.
 
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