Weird Rules Question

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savannahfan said:
They don't, you obviously know very little about tornadoes or you wouldn't say this. You must be thinking about TV coverage of Alabama, anywhere a tornado hits down is likely going to hit a trailer park down there! I jest, the damn things hit anything in their path, they are not to be made fun with..
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Lighten up Francis.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Why are they still kicking the ball off after a score or to start the game or half? They moved it up to reduce injuries, so why not just eliminate it and give each team the ball at the 25?
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It would make it really tough to have on on sides kickoff... even if you allowed it as an alternate like extra points in pro ball it would take away surprise on sides kicks. Enforcement of post scrimmage penalties would could give the ball to the receiving team at the 40 when I have seen exceptional kickoffs from the 20 hold guys way short of that. Not to mention all the fumbles on returns that go away. Big part of the game to just trash.
 
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sechamp2012 said:
IMO the rules are slanted against the D's because the tails that wag the dog wants more O for better TV viewing experience. Especially for the low info driveby fans. This fan likes big scores , same as Race fans like wrecks and banging fenders.Ergo facemask by O to D viewed OK, leading with helmet by O to D is OK. Protecting a QB like he's fine China. It's not about the injuries to a point , it's about the perception that their doing something to lessen injuries while still making big time $$$$. The game changed and stubborn coaches like Saban even changed his MO going forward. Some did not and are paying the price. JMO
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Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner
 
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GAVol said:
Just make every kickoff happen from punt formation at the 30 and make it 4th and 15. Kickoffs would be safer and get real interesting.
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When the NFL made the decision that PAT's were automatic and moved the kicker back (or let them go for 2), I thought that was good intent. You talk about it getting real interesting though - my rule would be that the guy that scored the touchdown had to kick the PAT. Spurrier kicked, George Blanda kicked, even Johnny majors quick kicked. The PAT would not be automatic.
 
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1 in 102 455 said:
You lose the onside kick. And if you build in an exception to permit onside kicks, you lose the element of surprise for them all together
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I like the rule that the AAFL did (I believe it was them) for an alternative to an onside kick. The team that just scored got the option to have a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line. The NFL is considering moving to this type of system with a 4th & 15 from the 25 yard line.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Why are they still kicking the ball off after a score or to start the game or half? They moved it up to reduce injuries, so why not just eliminate it and give each team the ball at the 25?
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Would remove onside and squib kicks which could have an impact on the outcome of a game. Other than that I see no use for it
 
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GAVol said:
Just make every kickoff happen from punt formation at the 30 and make it 4th and 15. Kickoffs would be safer and get real interesting.
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Rick Neuheisel is a polarizing figure, but he did have a very interesting idea to make close games more exiting. He proposed that after a team scores that is behind 8 points or less with under 2 minutes to play, give them the option to either onside kick to get the ball back, or give them one play on offense to get 15 yards from their own 30. If successful they retain possession and can make a final drive to score. Thoughts?
 
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The Original Fade said:
Rick Neuheisel is a polarizing figure, but he did have a very interesting idea to make close games more exiting. He proposed that after a team scores that is behind 8 points or less with under 2 minutes to play, give them the option to either onside kick to get the ball back, or give them one play on offense to get 15 yards from their own 30. If successful they retain possession and can make a final drive to score. Thoughts?
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That’s close to what I’m saying (don’t remember him talking about it, but I sometimes listen to his show and may have accidentally stolen part of his idea.) I’m just taking kickoff formation and onside kicks out of the equation and saying after you score, you get a 4th and 15 snap from your own 30 that you can do whatever you want to with.
 
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GAVol said:
That’s close to what I’m saying (don’t remember him talking about it, but I sometimes listen to his show and may have accidentally stolen part of his idea.) I’m just taking kickoff formation and onside kicks out of the equation and saying after you score, you get a 4th and 15 snap from your own 30 that you can do whatever you want to with.
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Yeah, I think we heard the same show 😄. I actually love the idea
 
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Another question, since they moved the point after the TD further back did that pretty much remove any possibility of a fake going for two?
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I have long wished for all of organized football from HS up to develop a consensus rulebook. It could be written in such a way to have variables to keep the integrity of the rules for each, but we should be able to reach one standard field with the same hash marks and same goalposts for example. I would think agreement could be reached on whether one foot or two feet inbounds for a completion. I would also think penalty enforcement could be standardized. Where there were fundamental differences they wanted to maintain, the the rule could have H C P alternate rulings, i.e. H and C could have play ends when ruled down regardless of contact, but P could maintain the ball carrier could get back up in absence of downing contact. Need to maintain different pass interference rules same deal. Any number of variables could be reduced. I would call it the KISS football rulebook It should be limited to everything and only on the filed of play and each level could maintain their own organizational book for off field issues that are unique like squad size, recruiting/draft, post season structure, pregame administration, uniforms etc. Overtime could be a real interesting discussion. I don't know if there are any on field issues that could not be resolved with this format though. I would imagine a lot of things could be cleaned up as each levels play book has evolved over the years.

Besides not being as confusing for players as they progress through the ranks, and fans trying to watch 3 different rules every weekend, it SHOULD really improve the quality and consistency of officiating. Not a bad goal. I cannot imagine how tough it is to make the move from college to pro rulebook as an official. Years of instinctual reactions have to be tough to overcome. Might explain some of those late flags we always see. Many issues could be resolved with a similarly structured book of rulings on the rules or each level maintain it's own to speed up the process rather than have to go back to a conference table to alter the universal rulebook itself. For example how much contact is allowed down field. It can still be defined as illegal, and the penalties for illegal contact can be defined, but the interpretation of the one rule could be different by level. Still end up with one rulebook for the rule and the penalty statement.
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So you are going to make every high school in the country purchase two new field goal posts? I think they are about $10K a piece.
 
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BondJamesBond said:
It used to be. Way back... 70s maybe, a spike was intentional grounding. QBs generally threw the ball high over the head of a WR so that it landed well out of bounds. (Kenny Stabler famously did this on 4th down in Bama vs Tenn to end the game. He didn't like it when Mike Keith (I think) asked him about it in an interview.)

I can't cite the current rule but at the time, they cited speed of play and clarity on when the clock should stop as reasons to adopt.
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I listened to that game when I was living in Atlanta. It won the game for Tennessee and I said to my wife that was the dumbest play I had ever seen (heard). It is still the dumbest play I have ever heard of.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Rick Neuheisel is a polarizing figure, but he did have a very interesting idea to make close games more exiting. He proposed that after a team scores that is behind 8 points or less with under 2 minutes to play, give them the option to either onside kick to get the ball back, or give them one play on offense to get 15 yards from their own 30. If successful they retain possession and can make a final drive to score. Thoughts?
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I’m not against it, but I wonder if it rewards a team for being behind and punishes a team for leading?
 
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savannahfan said:
More rules to make kicking a more protected and important part of the game. How bout these two situations.
On kickoffs the kicker is "offsides" on ever kickoff (plant foot) a rule covers this. This gives him much more power to the kick.
A new situation, a punter running 10 -15 yrds before kicking (Aussie kick). Hit him,, and penalty. I say if a punter runs more than 5 steps his is fair game.
I have come to dislike FGs, they are a disservice to a defense (with kicks coming closer to mid field all the time). Close in the goalpost a couple of feet, AND (this is a big one) move the hash marks out a few feet.
Punters kicking further (50-70 yards with little or no return) are just enough without "running punters"
I could go on, but you get my drift..
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Same here with the Rugby punter....How does the defense not know it's not a fake punt and the punter is trying to run for a first down? I say if the punter takes off then they are fair game....knock them into row 14 if you can....
 
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