Week 1 QB ratings(SEC)

[VolFanNC09]

I thought he played mostly a mistake free game and had a couple of great throws and a few overthrows. I agree with the rankings.

He needs to be better to beat Florida, Georgia or Bama though.
A couple of things that are easy fixes. On the drive where we made a FG, Grey was wide open on the third down with lots of green.

The left side of the line was opening huge holes and Chandler was cutting up over the right side with lots of real estate on the left side. Has to get better vision.

When Henry T blitzed it seemed like the middle was wide open...

 

[vegasvolfan]

I don’t

I think he played a PERFECT game when it came to decision making. The call was thrown to the right person every single time and never in harms way. Sure he missed a few throws but all QBs miss throws in a game

He missed 11-12 throws.

 

[vegasvolfan]

I thought he played mostly a mistake free game and had a couple of great throws and a few overthrows. I agree with the rankings.

He needs to be better to beat Florida, Georgia or Bama though.
A couple of things that are easy fixes. On the drive where we made a FG, Grey was wide open on the third down with lots of green.

The left side of the line was opening huge holes and Chandler was cutting up over the right side with lots of real estate on the left side. Has to get better vision.

When Henry T blitzed it seemed like the middle was wide open...

11-12 bad throws is not a mistake free game

 

[MemphisVol77]

No it's not. Luckily we were 3rd in the SEC last season on some 3rd down matrix so I'm hoping yesterday was just a blip on the bad side, we certainly can't get any worse. We stink in short yardage, I think that could change a little when we get Beckwith back from injury as he's a load on 3rd and short from the wildcat.

I gotta admit @PulaskiVolFan , I didn't really factor JG's 2019 3rd down performance into my criticism of him earlier.

Anomaly of his 3rd down production against USCe being an outlier, the consistency of his inconsistency leads me to still think we've seen the best he has to offer.

I usually just stay out of any kind of JGvsWhoever debate on Volnation because I end up disagreeing with everyone, lol. I'm a moderate and think we need at minimum JG's best play this year plus another QB to step up and surpass his level of production around midseason. Ala, just like the Worley/Dobbs transition. (Yes JG>Worley and no QB on our roster had proven to be Dobb's comparison yet....)

We usually stay civil and agree to disagree with each other about JG's overall value without getting hostile. Even though I disagree with you, I'm sick of seeing you consistently outnumbered 100-1 in JG debates, so I've got a little gift for you.....(And I'm bored out of my mind reading essentially the exact same arguments rehashed and paraphrased over & over & over ..... the past year with little to no new data added into the debate.)

Here's some Jim Chaney career metrics showing Chaney usually (few outliers) makes his biggest incremental improvements in his 2nd year at a new team with the same QB, while only having a marginal effect his first year.

How much can Jim Chaney improve the Tennessee offense in year one? Here’s what the numbers tell us

You're pretty good with statistics so don't use the Football Outsiders data linked in the article too disingenuously (like we all do), but have some new ammo for the never ending debate.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I gotta admit @PulaskiVolFan , I didn't really factor JG's 2019 3rd down performance into my criticism of him earlier.

Anomaly of his 3rd down production against USCe being an outlier, the consistency of his inconsistency leads me to still think we've seen the best he has to offer.

I usually just stay out of any kind of JGvsWhoever debate on Volnation because I end up disagreeing with everyone, lol. I'm a moderate and think we need at minimum JG's best play this year plus another QB to step up and surpass his level of production around midseason. Ala, just like the Worley/Dobbs transition. (Yes JG>Worley and no QB on our roster had proven to be Dobb's comparison yet....)

We usually stay civil and agree to disagree with each other about JG's overall value without getting hostile. Even though I disagree with you, I'm sick of seeing you consistently outnumbered 100-1 in JG debates, so I've got a little gift for you.....(And I'm bored out of my mind reading essentially the exact same arguments rehashed and paraphrased over & over & over ..... the past year with little to no new data added into the debate.)

Here's some Jim Chaney career metrics showing Chaney usually (few outliers) makes his biggest incremental improvements in his 2nd year at a new team with the same QB, while only having a marginal effect his first year.

How much can Jim Chaney improve the Tennessee offense in year one? Here’s what the numbers tell us

You're pretty good with statistics so don't use the Football Outsiders data linked in the article too disingenuously (like we all do), but have some new ammo for the never ending debate.

Nice stuff and I'm in agreement with all of this, especially the part that you said we're gonna need JGs best and probably someone else mid year, and I really like the comparison as to when Dobbs took over for Worley which was Alabama week if I remember correctly. I always thought that missing those 1st few games of that season, and the next for that matter killed Dobbs early development. He was far and away our best QB from day1 on campus I thought even though he struggled early. Jones and staff should be arrested for how they screwed up in Dobbs development as he could have had 24 starts under his belt heading into his Jr year. Truth be told I think Jones in '17 and my main man big Jerm Pruitt in '18 both developed JG poorly early on. Folks mentioned he played for 2 OCs before Chaney, they fail to mention just how bad those 2 OCs were, Larry Scott as a 1st year OC in '17 was terrible, the line was terrible, our WRs were young and gym coach Jones started the season off by ripping the locker room in half when he chose to start Dormandy, the at the time boyfriend of ol Butch's goddaughter, who happened to be the daughter of a prominent booster and she was living in the Jones household at the time. In '18 Pruitt was in over his head a bit and he didn't get along very good with a terrible OC in Helton who knew midseason he wasn't going to be on staff in '19. I think those factors hurt JGs early development. If anybody can get him to perform his best it'll be Chaney I believe. I'm looking forward to HB getting on the field, I think he's QB2 right now. If Pruitt sours on JG there is simply no way Bailey won't get a look as QB1 I think.

 

[hUTch2002]

we didnt win SC lost

Glass half empty kind of person huh? To each their own.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Nice stuff and I'm in agreement with all of this, especially the part that you said we're gonna need JGs best and probably someone else mid year, and I really like the comparison as to when Dobbs took over for Worley which was Alabama week if I remember correctly. I always thought that missing those 1st few games of that season, and the next for that matter killed Dobbs early development. He was far and away our best QB from day1 on campus I thought even though he struggled early. Jones and staff should be arrested for how they screwed up in Dobbs development as he could have had 24 starts under his belt heading into his Jr year. Truth be told I think Jones in '17 and my main man big Jerm Pruitt in '18 both developed JG poorly early on. Folks mentioned he played for 2 OCs before Chaney, they fail to mention just how bad those 2 OCs were, Larry Scott as a 1st year OC in '17 was terrible, the line was terrible, our WRs were young and gym coach Jones started the season off by ripping the locker room in half when he chose to start Dormandy, the at the time boyfriend of ol Butch's goddaughter, who happened to be the daughter of a prominent booster and she was living in the Jones household at the time. In '18 Pruitt was in over his head a bit and he didn't get along very good with a terrible OC in Helton who knew midseason he wasn't going to be on staff in '19. I think those factors hurt JGs early development. If anybody can get him to perform his best it'll be Chaney I believe. I'm looking forward to HB getting on the field, I think he's QB2 right now. If Pruitt sours on JG there is simply no way Bailey won't get a look as QB1 I think.

I've got nothing to base this on besides intuition (or projection....) and this is no call for who I think should be #2. You already know & we disagree anyways.....

After JG's 1st Qtr rushing TD against USCe, who was 1st off the sideline to greet JG? They actually each got a slight running start & jumped into the air/moshing together in celebration.

All last year, their genuine support & enthusiasm for each others success, after whoever made a big play, was one of my favorite parts of our QB rotation.

That kind of rapport & comrade they exhibit just seems to scream 1 & 2 on the depth chart to me.

HB may very well play his way into #1 or #2 by seasons end but I don't see it now for a true freshman given no spring practice plus present precautions has limited his practice reps. I just don't think he's had enough time to earn it & move up. I'm sure he'll get his fair shot.

Mainly as DC, but Pruitt has a history of playing lesser rated recruits if they earn it.

Bottom line, whether I agree with Pruitt or not, I believe his players have to earn it.

Nothing like that Butch stuff.

 

[nomads-11]

And we didn’t try to run a single damn play i don’t think

Poor coaching if that’s accurate

I remembered they threw up a 1 for 9 stat during the game. Looked up the final 1:12 stat today.

 

[LittleVol]

Agree, JG's was average and that's not good for a 5th year senior. He was less than average on 3rd downs where we were an impressive 1/11 converting. His decision making was improved, but thats becuse he had plenty of time.

You know good is the enemy of the great and JG is a legend in his own mind, and I think thats holding him back. Unfortunately, with his attitude I don't think this is going to change. I hope I'm wrong, and if I am I think he can be a good QB.

One thing i have stayed away from when critiquing him ,is what you mentioned. His self image. Because it's to...ambiguous to actually discuss with most on here. And you can't back it up with stats

Yeah. Let's just say I agree.

I played with good and bad QBs during my time in the sport. At all 3 levels. There's no confidence in his eyes. Dobbs had a stoic calm, demeanor every snap. Manning had FIRE in his eyes and everyone was accountable to his effort!

Jarret, looks like someone that is preoccupied and worried about life.
There is no confidence emanating from him. And yes, it effects the team.

 

[manndingo]

I don’t

I think he played a PERFECT game when it came to decision making. The call was thrown to the right person every single time and never in harms way. Sure he missed a few throws but all QBs miss throws in a game

9, he missed 9 wide open receivers, killed at least 4 maybe 5 drives...no he did not play horrible but he for sure didn’t play PERFECT. Should have gotten us out of a few runs that we stuffed as well but did have a great scramble on the FG drive. Not hating but he has a long way to go...hope we all get to see him play PERFECT maybe vs uga and bammy.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I've got nothing to base this on besides intuition (or projection....) and this is no call for who I think should be #2. You already know & we disagree anyways.....

After JG's 1st Qtr rushing TD against USCe, who was 1st off the sideline to greet JG? They actually each got a slight running start & jumped into the air/moshing together in celebration.

All last year, their genuine support & enthusiasm for each others success, after whoever made a big play, was one of my favorite parts of our QB rotation.

That kind of rapport & comrade they exhibit just seems to scream 1 & 2 on the depth chart to me.

HB may very well play his way into #1 or #2 by seasons end but I don't see it now for a true freshman given no spring practice plus present precautions has limited his practice reps. I just don't think he's had enough time to earn it & move up. I'm sure he'll get his fair shot.

Mainly as DC, but Pruitt has a history of playing lesser rated recruits if they earn it.

Bottom line, whether I agree with Pruitt or not, I believe his players have to earn it.

Nothing like that Butch stuff.

I've said it for a while now, I think our QB room is as good as any in the conference because of each QB in the room. We've got experience, we've got young guys with talent, they're all tough, not afraid of the competition and we've got a blue chip Fr who is bigger than all of them and we're all wondering if he's what he's been made out to be. On top of all of that, even after the carousel last season at QB, as you pointed out they all indeed seem to be playing for each other. I've always said BM had talent but just wasn't ready physically or mentally last season, others made that more than it is. I also think Pruitt has developed him pretty well as he's started games, got a legitimate shot at QB1 and he's very likely to get called upon again this season unless he and Pruitt have already made specific plans for him not to play at all and just use the year to get bigger, stronger and healthier. There's no way to compare the difference in his HS competition vs the SEC, that's sometimes the biggest hurdle for a player who hasn't been challenged in HS to make. If JG craps the bed and gets benched again I'll move on to the next QB debate pretty quickly. I think Coach Pruitt does indeed make them earn their playing time, I have to believe there's a bunch of stuff outside of just pure playing production that Coach takes into count at the QB position.

 

[dbarker]

I don’t

I think he played a PERFECT game when it came to decision making. The call was thrown to the right person every single time and never in harms way. Sure he missed a few throws but all QBs miss throws in a game

This 10000000%. He didn't really make any mistakes and looked alot more mobile. He was high on some throws and behind on some. You can fix that with repetition.

 

[ReelfootVol]

JG much better game than previous years.............I personally feel some of his short throws and much too hard. Seems to rush his passes when receiver is in the flats wide open at times. Then he tends to get excited and throw over their heads. Overall much improvement from previous years.

 

[sechamp2012]

This may sound funny but JG had a lot more confidence in his feet. He wasn't, that I recall, dancing around as much as I recall last year. He got his feet set aggressively and that brought his shoulders around on target. The overthrows are a first game nerves thing. Maybe I'm biased cause I want the kid to be great this year but he looked far better mechanically than I remember last year.

He has a great O-line and made the right decisions more than not. If he continues to improve from this new baseline we are in for a good year....

He has improved but has the best O Line in SEC and still was sacked twice by a lower level SEC team. He does not get rid of the ball in the 2.7 seconds that's required for a statued QB. He will not learn how to do the nuanced moves in the pocket or ride up in the pocket and slide to give that extra tenth to make the d line work. Has improved but he is the same in pocket presence. The O line has improved so total sacks should come down on that fact alone. He did make the best run of his career a 19 yarder for #2 dual threat QB in the nation in his 5th year.

 

[BruinVol]

Should have gotten us out of a few runs that we stuffed as well

Where did you learn that JG has the power to change every play at the LOS?

 

[savannahfan]

He wasn’t late on his throws last night. He improved greatly on his timing. That last TD throw was a great example. He certainly throws too hard and too high, a lot, but the timing is better, the reads are better (he only had one way to go on those), and I liked the situational running. Let’s see how things go next week before we write him off.

Yes he was a better QB all around. (he's had lots of years to improve) But he was still late with most throws. Having tried to be a receiver , I watch their reactions to a pass. If they have to break stride, or reach back, (you know what I'm saying) then for me the QB is off. JG does do pretty well on long passes but on the rest,,,, not so well. No doubt he is better than in the past, but good enough to push us to a really good season,?, I just hope so.

 

[sjt18]

Why are you struggling so much with comprehension?

I'm not. Your comments deny the direct link between drive extending/ending plays and scoring. UT was 1/12 on 3rd downs against an undersized D with a secondary that couldn't cover UT's receivers. Pressure wasn't a consistent problem with at least one of the sacks occurring after plenty of time to throw the ball. You either recognize that as a problem or... you handwave and pretend its all OK. No one says you "score every time"... but you NEVER score on the drives that were ended by those terrible throws.

IIRC, at least two of those misses would have put UT in FG range not counting the one where you could claim the WR turned the wrong way... though that seems unlikely since the WR immediately looked for the ball over his left shoulder. Most likely the throw was simply off target/poorly anticipated.

So much for that "clutch" gene Pulaski was crowing about... JG was 1 of 7 on 3rd down. The only SEC QB who recorded a 3rd down attempt and had a worse completion % was Emory Jones who was 0 for 1. Of the QB's with 5 or more 3rd down attempts, Mathis was the next worst at 40% compared to JG's 14%.... and receivers WERE open. He seemed to find those open receivers but like the story of his career... his decision to throw came a half count late.

JG was 0 for 2 in the RZ. Of the SEC QB's who had a RZ attempt, the only others not to have a completion were Bama's back up, Florida's back up, and Shawn Robinson for Mizzou. All were 0 for 1.

 

[hUTch2002]

Yes he was a better QB all around. (he's had lots of years to improve) But he was still late with most throws. Having tried to be a receiver , I watch their reactions to a pass. If they have to break stride, or reach back, (you know what I'm saying) then for me the QB is off. JG does do pretty well on long passes but on the rest,,,, not so well. No doubt he is better than in the past, but good enough to push us to a really good season,?, I just hope so.

He was definitely behind but I didn’t see WRs having to slow down on his downfield vertical throws like last year, in general anyway. I’m sure you could find one or two somewhere but it was pretty much every time last year. I hope so too but, like you, or at least how it appears you feel, I doubt it. 5-5, maybe 6-4. That’s probably the ceiling with JG. I hope I’m wrong though. The kid has fought hard for UT. It would be nice if he somehow had a breakthrough.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

He was middle of the pack by almost every metric.

 

[hUTch2002]

I'm not. Your comments deny the direct link between drive extending/ending plays and scoring. UT was 1/12 on 3rd downs against an undersized D with a secondary that couldn't cover UT's receivers. Pressure wasn't a consistent problem with at least one of the sacks occurring after plenty of time to throw the ball. You either recognize that as a problem or... you handwave and pretend its all OK. No one says you "score every time"... but you NEVER score on the drives that were ended by those terrible throws.

IIRC, at least two of those misses would have put UT in FG range not counting the one where you could claim the WR turned the wrong way... though that seems unlikely since the WR immediately looked for the ball over his left shoulder. Most likely the throw was simply off target/poorly anticipated.

So much for that "clutch" gene Pulaski was crowing about... JG was 1 of 7 on 3rd down. The only SEC QB who recorded a 3rd down attempt and had a worse completion % was Emory Jones who was 0 for 1. Of the QB's with 5 or more 3rd down attempts, Mathis was the next worst at 40% compared to JG's 14%.... and receivers WERE open. He seemed to find those open receivers but like the story of his career... his decision to throw came a half count late.

JG was 0 for 2 in the RZ. Of the SEC QB's who had a RZ attempt, the only others not to have a completion were Bama's back up, Florida's back up, and Shawn Robinson for Mizzou. All were 0 for 1.

I appreciate that you went back to constructive comments versus hurling insults. I’m not denying the link between extending drives and scoring. There were some that seemed to think every drive should be a TD and any JG incomplete pass meant we left points on the board. Some of those drives, yes. Some, who knows. I completely agree we were horrible on 3rd down, JG was horrible in 3rd down, and he has always had red zone issues due to accuracy issues. We all know he’s the starting guy though and there were some improvements over what we saw last year so I’m trying to focus on the positive since it’s a long year and he’s going to be the guy next week no matter what. I’m sure at some point I’ll get ticked and start calling for the water boy instead of JG or some random fan from the stands.

 

[chattavol420]

I think it’s funny many are saying in one breath that he did ok due to not having any picks while acknowledging that he had a bunch of horrible over throws. Think about that for a minute. It’s sheer luck. Blatantly missing 25% of your passes (to open receivers) typically will result in multiple pics. It’s just luck. In fact, we got a seasons worth of lucky breaks in this game.

 

[BruinVol]

I think it’s funny many are saying in one breath that he did ok due to not having any picks while acknowledging that he had a bunch of horrible over throws. Think about that for a minute. It’s sheer luck. Blatantly missing 25% of your passes (to open receivers) typically will result in multiple pics. It’s just luck. In fact, we got a seasons worth of lucky breaks in this game.

No it’s not

It’s called missing away from coverage. Just look at the two “poor throws” to 80. The misses were away from the defender

 

[bpalmer28]

I think it's fair to argue that JG played as well as Costello...

Costello - 585 total yards, 4 turnovers.
JG - 278 total yards, 0 turnovers.

 

[bpalmer28]

I think it’s funny many are saying in one breath that he did ok due to not having any picks while acknowledging that he had a bunch of horrible over throws. Think about that for a minute. It’s sheer luck. Blatantly missing 25% of your passes (to open receivers) typically will result in multiple pics. It’s just luck. In fact, we got a seasons worth of lucky breaks in this game.

Most interceptions are the result of poor decisions, not poor throws. He threw to the open WR all night, that's a good thing.

 

[chrismc1000]

There is another thread that breaks down each throw of JG. As far as complete or incomplete. Now of his complete some of them where behind the receiver and they had to turn and get it which cost yards. As they were tackled quickly. It didn't give them the chance to break a tackle if they were hit instride. Now some of his throws you could say we're out where they needed to be so the defenders couldn't get them. Ok I'll give you that but not on every throw or most of the ones people talk about how JG was off. JG will get better this season I believe that but right now we won and that's great in all but if he was more accurate we would have won by 18 points or more.