Was Jackson's hit clean?

Did Janzen Jackson show all out effort to help win or did he make a "thuggish" play?

  • Total voters
    0
#201
#201
05_never_again said:
Again, back to this launching issue...where in the rulebook does it say that it's an automatic personal foul if a player launches himself.

This is a rule in hockey, but not in football to my knowledge.
Click to expand...

The rule itself is subjective. IMO, if a player deliberately launches to hit a defenseless receiver, the penalty will be called. I'm sure the refs noticed the intent. What bothers me most is JJ didn't need to do that. There were several other plays he could have made, but instead he chose to go for the highlight reel hit.
 
#203
#203
orangetanker11 said:
The rule itself is subjective. IMO, if a player deliberately launches to hit a defenseless receiver, the penalty will be called. I'm sure the refs noticed the intent. What bothers me most is JJ didn't need to do that. There were several other plays he could have made, but instead he chose to go for the highlight reel hit.
Click to expand...

Just what exactly was this other play?

Slow up, let him make the catch (he couldn't have made a play on the ball given the receiver had his back to him and given the angle he approached him from), then shove him out of bounds?
 
#204
#204
Hit him with his back, don't see how that's a bad play, just playing football. The game is so damn soft now it's sad. And it's making our fans soft
 
#205
#205
05_never_again said:
TrueOrange

On numerous occasions, on helmet-to-helmet hits, both the hitter and hittee are injured (Dunta Robinson on DeSean Jackson).

As for James Harrison, I think that falls into the category of malicious intent. Earlier this year, Harrison "lined up" Josh Cribbs and laid a helmet-to-helmet hit. The hit on Massaquoi, where he threw his arms into the air as and after he hit him, shows some sort of malicious intent. However, if Harrison simply planted his shoulder in Massaquoi's chest, that still would be a penalty under the new rule because Massaquoi was "defenseless."

As for JJ, yes; he did have everything to make a legal hit...after the receiver had completed the catch and come down with the ball so he is no longer defenseless! The idea of JJ's hit was to prevent the catch, which he almost did. This "defenseless receiver" concept is garbage.

Again, if you don't want to assume that risk, then don't play football.
Click to expand...

Fair point; there are alot of times when both players get injured. I'd have to research a bit more before I claimed one occurred more than the other.

The James Harrison reference was used though b/c the original post seemed to insinuate that noone would ever intentionally make such a hit due to knowing/understanding/caring of the risks involved (the guy did though respond to initial questionings about the idea of being punished for such hits that he didn't feel he should be penalized because a player was tired and wanted to take a short nap.....yeah....)

I'm sorry but there is no reason that brain damage is or should ever be considered "just a risk of the game" in any pro sport (save perhaps boxing)...I've seen people recovering from brain trauma...it's, it's not, it's never something that should be an accepted risk, especially when you're using equipment that's supposed to be designed to prevent it.

I think the bigger issue though, rather, is that the safety equipment needs to be improved, because it no longer does the job it's supposed to (or used to) in these cases....partially due to how rapidly improvement has been made to achieving,improving, and maintaining the "physical peak"; much more so than improvement has been invested into/ attempted to the equipment
 
#207
#207
orangetanker11 said:
The rule itself is subjective. IMO, if a player deliberately launches to hit a defenseless receiver, the penalty will be called. I'm sure the refs noticed the intent. What bothers me most is JJ didn't need to do that. There were several other plays he could have made, but instead he chose to go for the highlight reel hit.
Click to expand...

same here
 
#208
#208
futureVOL9 said:
Idk if this has been posted yet but the hit was clean AND then wr didn't catch the ball. He bobbled it but got a foot in WHILE HE WAS BOBBLING THE BALL. His head then proceeded to land out of bounds when he possibly gained control of the ball. If a fourteen year old can figure this out then why can't a grown man who had the job of reviewing as a proffession?!
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

IMHO, the replay clearly shows juggling when the facemask hits OB. Even if you call the hit it's from the LOS not from the point you call it a catch.

So all in all you have 25 to 30 yards on questionable calls. If you only call one (count the pass as complete or incomplete but with personal foul), UNC is still well out of FG range.
 
#209
#209
Hell, there was helmet to bare head by one UNC player on another - should have called a penalty on that...:)
 
#210
#210
05_never_again said:
Just what exactly was this other play?

Slow up, let him make the catch (he couldn't have made a play on the ball given the receiver had his back to him and given the angle he approached him from), then shove him out of bounds?
Click to expand...
Actually, JJ did "slow up" briefly to square-up the receiver for the hit. He could have form tackled, pushed the receiver out of bounds, go for the break up. Basically, don't take the risk of an additional 15 yard penalty.
 
#211
#211
The bigger issue or concern maybe needs to be that we committed 3-4 personal fouls in less than half a minute.
 
#212
#212
VolsByNature said:
Hit him with his back, don't see how that's a bad play, just playing football. The game is so damn soft now it's sad. And it's making our fans soft
Click to expand...

The game is getting so soft that I might be able to get out there and play in a few years. :p

Seriously...we are on a path where at some point hits such as these will be outlawed because they are deemed "devastating" (an adjective already picked up on by the NFL)
YouTube - Eric Berry 360 hit
YouTube - Janzen Jackson Blasts Brandon James (This one especially, since it was on a "defenseless receiver")
YouTube - Best Plays of 2008: Eric Berry Clobbers Knowshon Moreno
YouTube - Eric Berry lays out Ben Tate (This one as well, since the ballcarrier left his feet - on his own volition - and was "exposed;" his helmet also came off)

Actually, that probably isn't true, because as somebody else mentioned in this thread these penalties aren't increasing player safety. The hits are and will continue to happen anyway; there will just be penalties for them.
 
#214
#214
What on earth do these professionals in the replay booth actually DO for that 5 minutes?

Here is the exact time line:

#1 Receiver jumps high and is making the catch.

#2 Jackson hits him in back as his right foot touches the ground in bounds.

#3 The force of the hit upends the receiver, disengaging a NOT YET possessed ball, and causing foot to come off the ground.

#4 Due to the hit, the receiver is now juggling the ball free as he flips head first to the ground due to the hit.

#5 As the ball is STILL uncontrolled the receivers helmet/head and arm hit the ground first OUT OF BOUNDS, and receiver appears to (not enough evidence to reverse an on-field call) secure the ball AFTER hitting the ground OUT OF BOUNDS!!!

#6 Big 10 Officials watch this OVER and OVER and somehow CANNOT follow this obvious course to make the decision that the ball was INCOMPLETE!!!

#7 BONUS: It is NOT a penalty for tackling with a shoulder pad!!!

Someone help me understand how replay officials can watch this in HD, slow motion, reverse play, as many times as needed and MISS the call? HOW?

Forget Dooley's 3 runs, DLs missed XP, Bray's INT or anything else. This is a travesty to let the refs steal this.

That accounted for over FORTY yards in the last 30 seconds of the game! TN players and coach don't come close to this kind of incompetence.
 
#217
#217
That kid is a ballplayer...he gives 110% on the field, cover ground amazingly and puts his body on the line...if it was a hit from EB would you be saying the same thing...come on man!
 
#219
#219
orangetanker11 said:
Actually, JJ did "slow up" briefly to square-up the receiver for the hit. He could have form tackled, pushed the receiver out of bounds, go for the break up. Basically, don't take the risk of an additional 15 yard penalty.
Click to expand...

He had enough time to go for a strip with one arm,and get ready to wrap up and make the tackle with the other.
 
#221
#221
orangetanker11 said:
If it was a hit from the other team, what would you say?
Click to expand...

If it was the same play and replay I saw, I would call it a great hit.

Its a judgement call on intent (which is related to the safety of the players). Those can not be made accurately on the field from one angle.

That flag did not make the WR in that case any safer.
 
#224
#224
Gavolboy said:
He's about used up his credits in my book. This guy, while he could be a good player, is a pure thug. Let him go to U of Miami or Va. Tech. where he'll have a lot of company with people just like him.
Click to expand...

Just hush....you sound like an idiot? judgeing a 20 year old biographical history because of a hit he laid on somebody? You sir are a fool. We lost, it sucks. The program will move on.....
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top