Was Jackson's hit clean?

Did Janzen Jackson show all out effort to help win or did he make a "thuggish" play?

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#76
#76
VOLNPA said:
By the rules, it was an illegal hit. Players are no longer allowed to "launch" themselves at other people like that. Jackson clearly did that. I don't necessarily agree with the rule, but it is a rule. And he did break it. That said, he did what he had to do in an attempt to dislodge the ball...which I believe he did. Had the ref paid attention to the receiver more than the hit, they may have gotten it right.
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There has been no launching penalty approved by the NCAA. It's all about the hit. I'm amazed at some of these posts.
 
#78
#78
VOLNPA said:
By the rules, it was an illegal hit. Players are no longer allowed to "launch" themselves at other people like that. Jackson clearly did that. I don't necessarily agree with the rule, but it is a rule. And he did break it. That said, he did what he had to do in an attempt to dislodge the ball...which I believe he did. Had the ref paid attention to the receiver more than the hit, they may have gotten it right.
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I agree, and in addition the ball was still rolling in his arms when his helmet and shoulder were out of bounds. Could have been ruled incomplete. 15 yard penalty wouldn't have hurt us as bad.
 
#81
#81
shark522 said:
I think the hit was legal from not leading with the helmet. Unfortunately, he launched himself to a defenseless receiver. That act was the cause of the penalty. I wish someone would find the NCAA rules statue to explain that penalty.

Personally, my question is did he land inbounds with the ball?
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The receiver is no more defenseless than anyone else on the field.
 
#82
#82
Clean hit or not....he needs to learn how to play fundamental football...you are not a headhunter...you are not eric berry.....wrap the guy and take him to the ground...not stop, gather your thoughts and launch yourself HEAD/SHOULDER first into the player.

he will make two or three goods plays then do something stupid
 
#86
#86
OrangeVol79 said:
He hit with his shoulder- should have been legal
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Actually from the angle you could see where his helmet hit the player I applaud JJ for making the effort showed he was playing to win the game just left his head down a little late so it wouldn't be considered a "clean" hit and either way NC would have had the ball in the same spot.
 
#87
#87
VolGirl81 said:
What were you watching? He turned at the last second, but his head hit first. I agree the missed extra point did not help at all or letting UNC drive the field in less than a minute. However, that hit just added to everything else. We do a lot of stupid things on the field.
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And at times some of us post stupid things on this board.
 
#88
#88
thagodfather said:
That's actually a really stupid statement.
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It's actually the right statement. The act of launching is what drew the flag, not the form of contact. Launching is just that. Launching. These rules, albeit dumb IMO, are in place to protect the players. It's a new world. These types of hits are not allowable anymmore. Right, wrong or indifferent, it is what it is.
 
#89
#89
VolGirl81 said:
What were you watching? He turned at the last second, but his head hit first. I agree the missed extra point did not help at all or letting UNC drive the field in less than a minute. However, that hit just added to everything else. We do a lot of stupid things on the field.
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He hit him with his shoulder.
 
#90
#90
VOLNPA said:
It's actually the right statement. The act of launching is what drew the flag, not the form of contact. Launching is just that. Launching. These rules, albeit dumb IMO, are in place to protect the players. It's a new world. These types of hits are not allowable anymmore. Right, wrong or indifferent, it is what it is.
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What rule are you quoting with this launching stuff?
 
#92
#92
all4vol said:
Actually from the angle you could see where his helmet hit the player I applaud JJ for making the effort showed he was playing to win the game just left his head down a little late so it wouldn't be considered a "clean" hit and either way NC would have had the ball in the same spot.
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The helmet, even when making a textbook tackle, has a good chance of touching the opposing player. It doesn't mean that it's a penalty.
 
#93
#93
_vol said:
Read the rules, please. Rules state if you lead with your head, which translate to making initial contact with intent to harm with your helmet (previously known as spearing) or if the ref infers vicious intent per contact to the opponent's head a penalty can be assessed.

In this case, JJ made initial contact with his right shoulder into the upper arm of the ball carrier.
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Actually, spearing was leading with the TOP of your head. The crown. It was legal to hit head first as long as your head was up. The spearing rule was invented to stop all of the spine injuries to dbacks that had been happening.

In any case, he led with his shoulder. If that's not legal anymore, then I'm probably pretty much done with this game.

thagodfather said:
The helmet, even when making a textbook tackle, has a good chance of touching the opposing player. It doesn't mean that it's a penalty.
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Yup, you can make contact all day long with the head. just not lead with it.
 
#94
#94
Gavolboy said:
He's about used up his credits in my book. This guy, while he could be a good player, is a pure thug. Let him go to U of Miami or Va. Tech. where he'll have a lot of company with people just like him.
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Im pretty sure Tennessee has had more players in trouble with the law in the last 5 years then Miami has. Thanks for playing tho. :nono:

I honestly dont see how the hit was illegal really. He didnt lead with his head so its not that. The only thing I can think of is its considered spearing if you lunge yourself off your feet to hit somebody. If so though, I have to chalk it up right there with the lack of a run off after an offensive play as a TERRIBLE rule by the NCAA.
 
#95
#95
joshc said:
Some seem to forget he intercepted a would be touchdown at a crucial moment in the second half as well.
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It's laughable. If I thought he wasn;t coming back next year I would actually revise our expected win total downward.
 
#96
#96
VOLNPA said:
It's actually the right statement. The act of launching is what drew the flag, not the form of contact. Launching is just that. Launching. These rules, albeit dumb IMO, are in place to protect the players. It's a new world. These types of hits are not allowable anymmore. Right, wrong or indifferent, it is what it is.
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No, launching is not a penalty. That's the bottom line. Never has been and it's not now. Also, launching has never injured a player. No need for a rule against launching.
 
#97
#97
Not only was Jackson's play a good one (didn't lead with the helmet & didn't hit him in the head), the guy was out of bounds! He didn't have control until he was on the ground and on the white! Big Ten officials are as bad as their conference!:loco:
 
#98
#98
thagodfather said:
The helmet, even when making a textbook tackle, has a good chance of touching the opposing player. It doesn't mean that it's a penalty.
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When he launced to make the great play as he did he left his head down a little late thats why he got the penalty PLEASE READ ALL OF MY POST BEFORE YOU ANSWER ME!
 
#99
#99
Launching and diving are real similar. Couldn't make one illegal without the other. When those two things are banned then i will stop coaching and watching the game.
 
#100
#100
brando1083 said:
Needs to lose his spot just because of that bone head play. Make his a$$ work to earn it back all off season to show him how stupid of a play that was.
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Yep. All out launch, helmet first; and if he'd just run through the play he might've been able to break it up.
 
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