War in Ukraine

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Matt2496 said:
I admire Trump's attempt, but it sure seems Putin is playing Trump like a fiddle.

He has no real interest in peace. He really just wants full annexation of Ukraine.
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Admire it? Did he go out of his way/lane to try and accomplish something? It's his job. It's actually one of the most important roles for the POTUS. I do agree with the rest of your comments.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I admire Trump's attempt, but it sure seems Putin is playing Trump like a fiddle.

He has no real interest in peace. He really just wants full annexation of Ukraine.
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Yup. And one good thing to come out of this is that Trump now understands that what everyone has been telling him all along is correct. Zelensky isn't the problem, Putin is the problem.
 
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BeardedVol said:
As per usual Trump came away with nothing, and Putin will continue to murder Ukrainians, while Trump pretends he didn't say there would be "severe consequences" for Putin.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Trump and Putin admit more work is needed on Ukraine deal

LIVE UPDATES: Follow the latest updates as Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin meet one another in an historic summit in Alaska to discuss how to end the war in Ukraine.
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That's a problem. Trump cannot continue to TACO this.
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't support Trump but I wonder what you a think favoring Russia outcome looks like. He doesn't really have much in the way to threaten with other than US military involvement or sanctions. No way I'm he'll I want our military involved and not sure what more sanctions would accomplish at this point.

He didn't have much to leverage with at this point.
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One tool Trump has started to use (not sure how effective it is) is the tariff tool. Tariffing nations that trade with Russia like he did to India the other day. That is a card to play.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yup. And one good thing to come out of this is that Trump now understands that what everyone has been telling him all along is correct. Zelensky isn't the problem, Putin is the problem.
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He's part of the problem too. There is not a world that exists where he doesn't make territory concessions
 
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BeardedVol said:
As per usual Trump came away with nothing, and Putin will continue to murder Ukrainians, while Trump pretends he didn't say there would be "severe consequences" for Putin.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Trump and Putin admit more work is needed on Ukraine deal

LIVE UPDATES: Follow the latest updates as Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin meet one another in an historic summit in Alaska to discuss how to end the war in Ukraine.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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What do you mean by “as per usual?” Was not aware they meet on a regular basis for high level talks. When they do is about the war or do they play checkers, leading to these usual results you know so much about.

Please, tell us, who would you like to see doing these negotiations and what would your realistic expectations be after a few hours of discussion?
 
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volfanhill said:
He's part of the problem too. There is not a world that exists where he doesn't make territory concessions
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From Ukraine's perspective, it is all about what their current status is with this war and whether they believe they can continue to hold on and win the war or not. Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of intel nor does any one in this thread. If Ukraine is on the verge of collapse, Zelensky should jump at the chance of peace, even if it means giving Russia all of its current gains. If Ukraine can keep it up and even take the offensive, he should be aggressive.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I admire Trump's attempt, but it sure seems Putin is playing Trump like a fiddle.

He has no real interest in peace. He really just wants full annexation of Ukraine.
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I don't think Putin expects to get all of Ukraine but he definitely wants a significant portion of it. From a strategic perspective, it makes sense on why Russia wants Ukraine, it was one of the wealthiest regions of the old Russia Empire and USSR. Russia can't get back to being a major world power without Ukraine IMO.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I don't think Putin expects to get all of Ukraine but he definitely wants a significant portion of it. From a strategic perspective, it makes sense on why Russia wants Ukraine, it was one of the wealthiest regions of the old Russia Empire and USSR. Russia can't get back to being a major world power without Ukraine IMO.
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its personal. its like you grew up in Nashville and Knoxville decides it ain't Tennessee no more
 
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volbound1700 said:
I don't think Putin expects to get all of Ukraine but he definitely wants a significant portion of it. From a strategic perspective, it makes sense on why Russia wants Ukraine, it was one of the wealthiest regions of the old Russia Empire and USSR. Russia can't get back to being a major world power without Ukraine IMO.
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Somehow I don’t think Zelensky is going to go for many if any land concessions. If he does, I will be shocked.
 
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Delmar said:
Somehow I don’t think Zelensky is going to go for many if any land concessions. If he does, I will be shocked.
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this late in the game id say zelensky is starting to wonder if his countrymen are considering putting his head on the trade block
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its amazing they take their cue on how to view Putin based on the thoughts of a guy that every experienced foreign policy professional says has no idea what he's doing.
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I thought Rump promised to have this “deal” brokered within 24 hours of taking office. Add that to the list of BS he spewed in getting elected.
 
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Delmar said:
Probably planted a bug in Trump’s pants. It was obvious he had a hand in his pocket all day.
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Seriously, though. I make it a point to never invite KGB agents to ride in my car.

He has people poisoned with Polonium and smiles about it. I'd never let him in The Beast. He's a stone cold killer.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Seriously, though. I make it a point to never invite KGB agents to ride in my car.

He has people poisoned with Polonium and smiles about it. I'd never let him in The Beast. He's a stone cold killer.
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What you think they just leave it unchecked afterwards? No searches? Do you think Putin came prepared to personally bug the thing?

You sound silly
 
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volfanhill said:
What you think they just leave it unchecked afterwards? No searches? Do you think Putin came prepared to personally bug the thing?

You sound silly
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I'm certain they'll check it out but why take the risk? He's trash. Treat as such.

I trust Putin exactly zero. He's KGB and there's no such thing as ex KGB.

When he ordered the first Polonium poisoning, it took weeks just to figure out what happened. Dealing with Putin is ALWAYS dealing with a man who will kill you if it benefits him. Treating him as anything but extremely cunning and extremely amoral is foolish.
 
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