War in Ukraine

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volbound1700 said:
Although the Gentlemen wars is mostly a myth (no war is necessarily Gentlemanly), the era where true respect was given was the 1700s timeframe and even that was mostly limited to European Powers engaging with each other. The reason these wars were calmer was that it was primarily fought by mercenary armies distant from towns.

This changed in the Napoleonic wars when Republican France introduced "levee in masse" or Conscription.
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its also a lot different when those in charge are fighting family members during that time. like all the talk about how WW1 didn't happen earlier because Queen Victoria wouldn't let her grandchildren fight each other.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The U.S. is not at war, they are not a party to the war. No, in my lifetime and no time before that I can see has the United States acted like this. Its insane millennialism.

The U.S. isn't going to do **** but piss people off and get them killed. In the past diplomacy was used, especially when it was regional. All these insult on a daily basis serves no real purpose than to get innocent people killed.

I would say if the purpose is make the ukrainians go the way of the dinosaur, this makes sense, otherwise not so much. This isn't going to be won on twitter.

As I mentioned, I don't know how the Russians feel, but I would feel like I need to take them all out. Every single Ukrainian. No terms, no unconditional surrender. GTFO And that makes me sad.
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diplomacy is used plenty. it just doesn't always work. never has.

Russia is just as guilty of this as anyone during the modern times.
Georgia, Transnistria, the various Caucasian outclaves, even Ukraine. Russia used violence. and in most cases after only a couple months of "diplomacy".

the US has avoided using force in several instances where your world view would have us believe the US would have used force first and asked questions later. Venezuela/Guyana, Haiti. We are allegedly pulling out of Niger(?) after diplomacy failed and haven't turned to violence. those are examples from just the past year that I know about. Under Trump there were emerging talks between the various ME countries and Israel which is unheard of. the expansion of NATO has been diplomatic moves.

you can look at any number of nations outside of the US and Russia and see examples of failures of diplomacy. India vs Pakistan, India vs China, China vs the Philippines, the several cross border "civil" wars in Africa. but plenty of international deals too, they just don't sell clicks.

you suffer from confirmation bias, when diplomacy works it doesn't make the front page. especially from a source like Zero Hedge, or Tass, so you are never going to hear about it. even other sources aren't going to cover it too much and most people are just ignorant about what is going on.
 
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LouderVol said:
diplomacy is used plenty. it just doesn't always work. never has.

Russia is just as guilty of this as anyone during the modern times.
Georgia, Transnistria, the various Caucasian outclaves, even Ukraine. Russia used violence. and in most cases after only a couple months of "diplomacy".

the US has avoided using force in several instances where your world view would have us believe the US would have used force first and asked questions later. Venezuela/Guyana, Haiti. We are allegedly pulling out of Niger(?) after diplomacy failed and haven't turned to violence. those are examples from just the past year that I know about. Under Trump there were emerging talks between the various ME countries and Israel which is unheard of. the expansion of NATO has been diplomatic moves.

you can look at any number of nations outside of the US and Russia and see examples of failures of diplomacy. India vs Pakistan, India vs China, China vs the Philippines, the several cross border "civil" wars in Africa. but plenty of international deals too, they just don't sell clicks.

you suffer from confirmation bias, when diplomacy works it doesn't make the front page. especially from a source like Zero Hedge, or Tass, so you are never going to hear about it. even other sources aren't going to cover it too much and most people are just ignorant about what is going on.
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They've said there was a problem with all this since Putin was a taxi driver, you are literally just trying to rewrite history. You suffer from Idiot American.

Why is you country even involved in any of this? This really isn't a tough one. The United States foreign policy looks like a millennial convention.

Either way, the Ukraine will pay the price.

(Ya'll have a good weekend, I hope all your dismemberment go well)
 
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LSU-SIU said:
They've said there was a problem with all this since Putin was a taxi driver, you are literally just trying to rewrite history. You suffer from Idiot American.

Why is you country even involved in any of this? This really isn't a tough one. The United States foreign policy looks like a millennial convention.

Either way, the Ukraine will pay the price.

(Ya'll have a good weekend, I hope all your dismemberment go well)
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how am I rewriting history?

I have never said the US should be involved. thats just you making up stuff.

have a good weekend as well.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Per Putin, 5,000 dead Russian soldiers a month.

If the 3/1 ratio holds, that's 20,000 killed and wounded per month.

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Tis but a small price to pay for access to prime real estate development on the Black Sea.
 
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This. We still have no plans with a goal of Ukrainian victory.

From The Guardian...

But Michael Bohnert, an engineer at the Rand Corporation, sees no sign of a public coordinated military plan to raise the firepower needed, let alone new munitions factories. Incredibly, the adviser to the Polish chief of staff, Krzysztof Król, admitted to a conference last month that after two years “we have not yet created proper conditions for a Ukrainian victory with our plans because political leaders had not yet told them the objective”. If that objective was conveyed, he added, “the military leaders could easily decide what is required. As it is, we give enough only for Ukraine to survive.”

To the extent any European leader has grasped this lacuna, it is Macron, with his emergency meeting in Paris on 26 February to look at ammunition shortfalls and repeated speeches on the existential threat to Europe from the alliance between the far right and Putin.

It will take two meetings, one involving the G7 leaders in Italy next week and then the 75th anniversary Nato summit in Washington in July, to reveal whether the west wishes not to contain Putin, but to defeat him – with all the risk that carries, including for China.

Macron will know many in Europe see the external threat as coming from migration, not Putin, and above all as a French politician, he knows the popular lure of an easy peace. Flowers, not tomatoes, greeted the French prime minister Édouard Daladier, to his surprise, when he returned from Munich in 1938. Knowing full well the threat posed by Hitler, and that he and Chamberlain had betrayed Czechoslovakia, the only democratic country in central eastern Europe, he turned to his counsellor and said of the cheering crowds: “Bunch of fools.”
 
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Russian Propagandist Solovyov "Dr Evil" Threatening Nuclear Strikes & Stomping His Feet Repeatedly. Compilation, Eng subtitles​

 
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LouderVol said:
its also a lot different when those in charge are fighting family members during that time. like all the talk about how WW1 didn't happen earlier because Queen Victoria wouldn't let her grandchildren fight each other.
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WW1 was such a game changer. There really wasn't an anti-War movement until WW1. It changed everything. Scope-wise, the Seven Years war was larger and involved more theaters but when it came to casualties, it was a far smaller conflict. WW1 saw the innovations of conscription/drafting as well as the new technologies merge into a Total War. The signs were there that WW1 was going to be big but the elites didn't wake up and see it. They expected something akin to the conflicts of the 1700s but instead got the bloody trench warfare that killed Millions.

The West was never the same after WW1. Gone was the "gentlemen" war and Imperialism of that had defined Europe from 1400s-WW1. Sadly, a lot of the negative in our society came out of the war. Leftism saw its true beginnings in mass appealing during WW1.
 
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Commander of the Akhmat special forces, deputy head of the Main Military-Political Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces Apti Alaudinov @AptiAlaudinovAKHMAT

The decision to transfer parts of the Akhmat special forces detachments to a new strategic area - the Kharkov direction - was made at the end of last month. The enemy, who does not have the strength to resist the units of the Russian Ministry of Defense there, inflicts maximum damage on civilians: he hits populated areas, knowing in advance that there are no military personnel there.

“Akhmat” works harmoniously. Our sniper pairs and FPV crews are present in all areas. In the Kharkov direction, the well-known detachment “Kamerton” is also involved, which became the detachment “Kashtan” - according to the call sign of the commander. He is also my deputy.

I would now rate the level of training of the Ukrainian Armed Forces units as three points out of five, and in some areas as four.

As for NATO support for the Ukrainian army, it was provided from the first days of the SMO. We studied NATO tactics and learned to counter them. Moreover, our tactics are much more effective and more developed in all aspects.

During the special operation, the forms and methods of combat shifted towards the use of unmanned aircraft and FPV drones. But our capabilities are not inferior, and we also use UAVs, electronic warfare equipment, etc.

“Akhmat” is not afraid of the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. We are waiting for him.

The General Staff of the Russian Federation has worked out all the details, and we are preparing for the last battle that will end the SMO. Our task is to enable the enemy to gather all his resources and throw them in our direction so that we can dilute and destroy Ukrainian forces.

We are now playing a chess game in which the Russian side will win, since we have more resources and capabilities. No matter how much the West pours funds into the Armed Forces of Ukraine, billions of dollars will not change anything. Neither Kiev nor its owners in America have a chance to change the situation. The only thing they can do is launder the maximum amount of money, realizing that this laundry is coming to its logical conclusion.
 
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Commander of the Akhmat special forces, deputy head of the Main Military-Political Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces Apti Alaudinov @AptiAlaudinovAKHMAT

The decision to transfer parts of the Akhmat special forces detachments to a new strategic area - the Kharkov direction - was made at the end of last month. The enemy, who does not have the strength to resist the units of the Russian Ministry of Defense there, inflicts maximum damage on civilians: he hits populated areas, knowing in advance that there are no military personnel there.

“Akhmat” works harmoniously. Our sniper pairs and FPV crews are present in all areas. In the Kharkov direction, the well-known detachment “Kamerton” is also involved, which became the detachment “Kashtan” - according to the call sign of the commander. He is also my deputy.

I would now rate the level of training of the Ukrainian Armed Forces units as three points out of five, and in some areas as four.

As for NATO support for the Ukrainian army, it was provided from the first days of the SMO. We studied NATO tactics and learned to counter them. Moreover, our tactics are much more effective and more developed in all aspects.

During the special operation, the forms and methods of combat shifted towards the use of unmanned aircraft and FPV drones. But our capabilities are not inferior, and we also use UAVs, electronic warfare equipment, etc.

“Akhmat” is not afraid of the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. We are waiting for him.

The General Staff of the Russian Federation has worked out all the details, and we are preparing for the last battle that will end the SMO. Our task is to enable the enemy to gather all his resources and throw them in our direction so that we can dilute and destroy Ukrainian forces.

We are now playing a chess game in which the Russian side will win, since we have more resources and capabilities. No matter how much the West pours funds into the Armed Forces of Ukraine, billions of dollars will not change anything. Neither Kiev nor its owners in America have a chance to change the situation. The only thing they can do is launder the maximum amount of money, realizing that this laundry is coming to its logical conclusion.
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I'm sure all the trees and bushes in that part of Ukraine need to be wary of the Akhmet Special forces coming to town.

I look forward to their TikToks showing back up on Twitter.
 
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Commander of the Akhmat special forces, deputy head of the Main Military-Political Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces Apti Alaudinov @AptiAlaudinovAKHMAT

The decision to transfer parts of the Akhmat special forces detachments to a new strategic area - the Kharkov direction - was made at the end of last month. The enemy, who does not have the strength to resist the units of the Russian Ministry of Defense there, inflicts maximum damage on civilians: he hits populated areas, knowing in advance that there are no military personnel there.

“Akhmat” works harmoniously. Our sniper pairs and FPV crews are present in all areas. In the Kharkov direction, the well-known detachment “Kamerton” is also involved, which became the detachment “Kashtan” - according to the call sign of the commander. He is also my deputy.

I would now rate the level of training of the Ukrainian Armed Forces units as three points out of five, and in some areas as four.

As for NATO support for the Ukrainian army, it was provided from the first days of the SMO. We studied NATO tactics and learned to counter them. Moreover, our tactics are much more effective and more developed in all aspects.

During the special operation, the forms and methods of combat shifted towards the use of unmanned aircraft and FPV drones. But our capabilities are not inferior, and we also use UAVs, electronic warfare equipment, etc.

“Akhmat” is not afraid of the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. We are waiting for him.

The General Staff of the Russian Federation has worked out all the details, and we are preparing for the last battle that will end the SMO. Our task is to enable the enemy to gather all his resources and throw them in our direction so that we can dilute and destroy Ukrainian forces.

We are now playing a chess game in which the Russian side will win, since we have more resources and capabilities. No matter how much the West pours funds into the Armed Forces of Ukraine, billions of dollars will not change anything. Neither Kiev nor its owners in America have a chance to change the situation. The only thing they can do is launder the maximum amount of money, realizing that this laundry is coming to its logical conclusion.
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So the orcs have it well in hand and are advancing with impunity… but they need neckbeard’s goat rapers help. The contradictions they just keep a comin’ 😂🤡
 
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