War in Ukraine

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IMO I see no outcome that Russia wins this. If Ukraine get close to losing the war and Polands Ambassador comments hold true if will be just a domino effect of countries joining the war. Not because of Article 5 either. Free world vs. Russian aggression. Putin miscalculated
 
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TVOLS said:
IMO I see no outcome that Russia wins this. If Ukraine get close to losing the war and Polands Ambassador comments hold true if will be just a domino effect of countries joining the war. Not because of Article 5 either. Free world vs. Russian aggression. Putin miscalculated
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Ukraine will likely lose most of the territory Russia now holds, maybe more. What do you consider to be a Ukraine loss that would justify the Western Death Cult putting boots on the ground?
 
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volgr said:
Ukraine will likely lose most of the territory Russia now holds, maybe more. What do you consider to be a Ukraine loss that would justify the Western Death Cult putting boots on the ground?
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Russia has lost 50% of the ground they took after 2/24/202022, and is building defensive positions in Belgorod.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No need for NATO to rebuild Ukraine. Russia got this...



"They're Nazis. Normal people don't do that."
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1, 4, and 7 are military logistic projects.
2, 3, 8, 9, and 10 are just saying nice things, but aren't anything "new" or reconstructive. several of them are just repeats.
so that leaves us with 5, and 6 as the only real reconstruction happening. busses and some vague microdistricts. Neither of which would have been needed without the invasion by Russia.

and then to top it off through in some new horror story about everyone's favorite Nazis. so predictable.
 
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Orangeburst said:
You gotta think beyond what is paper and the reality of an escalation.
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If Poland jumped into the fight, some NATO nations may join them. but it would be their choice, and not because of their NATO obligation. you are missing that important distinction.
 
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TVOLS said:
IMO I see no outcome that Russia wins this. If Ukraine get close to losing the war and Polands Ambassador comments hold true if will be just a domino effect of countries joining the war. Not because of Article 5 either. Free world vs. Russian aggression. Putin miscalculated
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Possibly, but then Putin is in a desperate position. We probably know what a desperate Putin would likely do.
 
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volgr said:
Lol, Russia largely outnumbers Ukraine and Ukraine is basically out of equipment and trained men. With what force will they take back land without Western Death Cult boots?
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Russia left a 40-mile long queue of military vehicles stranded outside of Kyiv in the opening month of the invasion because Russian logistics are garbage, has to recruit cannon fodder from prisons, sends barely trained conscripts to the front, and is trying to retrofit T-62s for deployment to Ukraine.

All the while they've lost 50% of the land they took after February.

This is the reality of the "second-best army in the world".
 
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C/O said:
That’s the thing that has many worried. When will Russia be satisfied?
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If they really worry about that, they should have pushed for peace negotiations a year ago and saved a sh1t ton of Ukrainian servicemen.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Russia left a 40-mile long queue of military vehicles stranded outside of Kyiv in the opening month of the invasion because Russian logistics are garbage, has to recruit cannon fodder from prisons, sends barely trained conscripts to the front, and is trying to retrofit T-62s for deployment to Ukraine.

All the while they've lost 50% of the land they took after February.

This is the reality of the "second-best army in the world".
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Thanks for the Western Death Cult propaganda, make sure and repeat all that at the next drag show for kids you attend, you will surely score a couple of prime "ladies".
 
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volgr said:
Whenever Ukraine is demilitarized and Russia is satisfied they will no long be a threat to Russia.
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sounds like they already aren't a threat to Russia. they have run out of equipment and men. Russia has them outnumbered. Russia holds all the territory it wants. what's the threat to Russia?

what was ever the threat to Russia?

The "NATO" army that the west "built" in Ukraine, lasted less than a year, so what would it have mattered if NATO had kept training? and surely it would have been easier for Russia to defend its own territory than attack someone else.
 
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volgr said:
Whenever Ukraine is demilitarized and Russia is satisfied they will no long be a threat to Russia.
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So the 3 day special military operation will last what 3 or 4 day? A week? Several weeks? It doesn't seem Ukraine is going to be demilitarized any time soon. The input is greater than the output and they're upgrading at the same time. Keep dreaming though.
 
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LouderVol said:
sounds like they already aren't a threat to Russia. they have run out of equipment and men. Russia has them outnumbered. Russia holds all the territory it wants. what's the threat to Russia?

what was ever the threat to Russia?

The "NATO" army that the west "built" in Ukraine, lasted less than a year, so what would it have mattered if NATO had kept training? and surely it would have been easier for Russia to defend its own territory than attack someone else.
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Ukraine by themselves arent a problem but they have some "friends" who control them that are a huge threat.
 
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volgr said:
Thanks for the Western Death Cult propaganda, make sure and repeat all that at the next drag show for kids you attend, you will surely score a couple of prime "ladies".
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Lol, it's interesting to note that when confronted with the reality of the state of Russia's armed forces, that you attempt to deflect to "drag show for kids".
 
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volgr said:
Thanks for the Western Death Cult propaganda, make sure and repeat all that at the next drag show for kids you attend, you will surely score a couple of prime "ladies".
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what's the propaganda?
1. The 40 kilometer strand of military vehicles and hardware outside of Kiev at the start of the war? I mean maybe you want to quibble on the exact distance or something, but I have never seen its existence questioned.
2. Russian logistics suck? Wagner has openly confirmed that. as well as plenty of other video evidence, intercepted communications, and so forth.
3. T62s seeing service? Again we have seen video evidence of them.
4. Recruiting from prisons? We have Wagner and Putin openly talking about that.
5. the barely trained conscripts? I mean I guess you believe the 500,000 men Russia materialized were all the combat vets who just needed some time to get readjusted? But again we have seen video evidence of Russian units doing some dumb stuff, like driving straight through a mine field one after another. that hardly speaks to these guys being the ex-Spetnaz guys you have talked them up to be. So i would think its pretty easy to accept that at least some of these guys are little trained conscripts.
6. That Russia has lost 50% of the ground it held? Again, unless you are quibbling the exactness, anyone can look at a map from the early war, and now, and see Russia has lost a ton of ground. yes they have made gains in places, but overall its been a contraction and not an expansion.
 
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volgr said:
Ukraine by themselves arent a problem but they have some "friends" who control them that are a huge threat.
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soooooooo, then why isn't Russia attacking those who are threat to Russia, since Ukraine isn't a threat? If this was a preemptive strike, it sounds like you are acknowledging that Ukraine isn't a threat, and thus Russia didn't need to attack Ukraine. They needed to attack NATO/the west/whoever.

Russia wanted to punch down, and so they did.
 
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volgr said:
Ukraine will likely lose most of the territory Russia now holds, maybe more. What do you consider to be a Ukraine loss that would justify the Western Death Cult putting boots on the ground?
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IMO based on Poland’s Ambassador comments I think when Russia start pushing close to Ukraine and Poland’s border is when Poland will act. Maybe it won’t come to that and a negotiated peace happens before then. Of course Ukraine negotiating in a position of strength.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol, it's interesting to note that when confronted with the reality of the state of Russia's armed forces, that you attempt to deflect to "drag show for kids".
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You and I see a much different reality. There was no response to your post other than to mock it because this is all stuff that has been hashed over for a year.
 
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LouderVol said:
what's the propaganda?
1. The 40 kilometer strand of military vehicles and hardware outside of Kiev at the start of the war? I mean maybe you want to quibble on the exact distance or something, but I have never seen its existence questioned.
2. Russian logistics suck? Wagner has openly confirmed that. as well as plenty of other video evidence, intercepted communications, and so forth.
3. T62s seeing service? Again we have seen video evidence of them.
4. Recruiting from prisons? We have Wagner and Putin openly talking about that.
5. the barely trained conscripts? I mean I guess you believe the 500,000 men Russia materialized were all the combat vets who just needed some time to get readjusted? But again we have seen video evidence of Russian units doing some dumb stuff, like driving straight through a mine field one after another. that hardly speaks to these guys being the ex-Spetnaz guys you have talked them up to be. So i would think its pretty easy to accept that at least some of these guys are little trained conscripts.
6. That Russia has lost 50% of the ground it held? Again, unless you are quibbling the exactness, anyone can look at a map from the early war, and now, and see Russia has lost a ton of ground. yes they have made gains in places, but overall its been a contraction and not an expansion.
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He took pieces of a puzzle, flipped them over and drew his own picture on the back.
 
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LouderVol said:
soooooooo, then why isn't Russia attacking those who are threat to Russia, since Ukraine isn't a threat? If this was a preemptive strike, it sounds like you are acknowledging that Ukraine isn't a threat, and thus Russia didn't need to attack Ukraine. They needed to attack NATO/the west/whoever.

Russia wanted to punch down, and so they did.
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For the same reason the US isn't directly attacking Russia. As for Ukraine being a threat, as a Western Death Cult proxy, they are a threat to Russia.
 
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