Vols Practice Thread #5

[chargervol]

I think JT gets the #2 spot regardless. The risk is a much higher price to pay with BM at #2. He’ll almost definitely burn his redshirt in mop up duty and if he turns out to be what a few of us believe he will be it only hurts UT in the long run losing his last year of eligibility from burning his RS. If the coaches are playing the long game then it’s possible they may be thinking the same way. I think BM only comes off the bench this year if JG gets hurt and going to miss significant time.

Idk man, Shrout getting named the number 2 so that Maurer has 4 full years as starter, is a quite the master plan to ask everyone to buy into.

 

[butchna]

Then I would agree with his rank and star rating. I’m not taking anything from JT at all. He just never got the experience that most qbs do. Not his fault.

And I don’t write the ending of books before the synopsis.

 

[1vol8]

Idk man, Shrout getting named the number 2 so that Maurer has 4 full years as starter, is a quite the master plan to ask everyone to buy into.

Pump the brakes homie. I never said he would start this or next year. I have however been quoted saying if he gets an opportunity to play for a significant amount of time I think he runs away with the job.

 

[1vol8]

And I don’t write the ending of books before the synopsis.

But you seem to jump right in every time I say anything about HB? It’s cool man.... I understand that as highly ranked as he is he’s going to come in with high expectations and that alone creates a fan base. I’m not saying anyone is right or wrong . I’m just not sold yet.

 

[chargervol]

Pump the brakes homie. I never said he would start this or next year. I have however been quoted saying if he gets an opportunity to play for a significant amount of time I think he runs away with the job.

But you did say they would name our backup (Shrout) not by who wins the job but based off a plan all revolving around Maurer, correct?

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I just have to know. What are the discernible differences between FL and GA HS football?

Not so much as differences between the two states but difference in what level of competition the 2 played within their state. HB is doing it vs better competition than BM played in his district in FL. Not all Fl HS districts are strong. Until BM learns to not throw the ball to the opponent this argument is mute really. Injuries and mop up duty will be the only way either backup plays the next 2 seasons. I like BM arm talent and competitive spirit, hopefully he develops nicely.

 

[butchna]

But you seem to jump right in every time I say anything about HB? It’s cool man.... I understand that as highly ranked as he is he’s going to come in with high expectations and that alone creates a fan base. I’m not saying anyone is right or wrong . I’m just not sold yet.

I’m the fairest poster on this board...like you pretend to be. Haven’t discounted or anointed ANYBODY yet. I know you can watch high school highlights and Orange & White Game snippets and expertly pinpoint skill levels. Us humans have to wait.

 

[1vol8]

But you did say they would name our backup (Shrout) not by who wins the job but based off a plan all revolving around Maurer, correct?

If that’s the way you took it yes. I don’t think it’s a secret that BM is the most athletic, just as accurate and has pocket awareness that’s unmatched at this time in our qb room. Would it be such a stretch to think that the coaches may think he may have a higher ceiling than the others?

And btw I didn’t say they WOULD name Shrout the backup NOR did I say they WERE basing any plans around anyone. I said it was my opinion on what COULD take place.

 

[1vol8]

I’m the fairest poster on this board...like you pretend to be. Haven’t discounted or anointed ANYBODY yet. I know you can watch high school highlights and Orange & White Game snippets and expertly pinpoint skill levels. Us humans have to wait.

I’m am fair. Which explains why rank doesn’t sell me on a recruit. Especially given the fact that the services provide very little service imo. And never said you did anoint anyone but it’s clear you seem to get offended by a slightly negative comment regarding HB. There’s a few things I can count on when talking about HB especially when comparing him to a current player. Backlash from posters, arguing the lack of difference in competition and a response from you.

 

[chargervol]

If that’s the way you took it yes. I don’t think it’s a secret that BM is the most athletic, just as accurate and has pocket awareness that’s unmatched at this time in our qb room. Would it be such a stretch to think that the coaches may think he may have a higher ceiling than the others?

And btw I didn’t say they WOULD name Shrout the backup NOR did I say they WERE basing any plans around anyone. I said it was my opinion on what COULD take place.

I'll agree that you believe it's no secret he's that much better than all our other QBs. And we'll leave it that.

Anyway, I just posted the write up. But yeah, I remember, you also believe media is all giving false or incorrect reports and whatnot.

 

[butchna]

I’m am fair. Which explains why rank doesn’t sell me on a recruit. Especially given the fact that the services provide very little service imo. And never said you did anoint anyone but it’s clear you seem to get offended by a slightly negative comment regarding HB. There’s a few things I can count on when talking about HB especially when comparing him to a current player. Backlash from posters, arguing the lack of difference in competition and a response from you.

Just the discounting of his game so you can prop up Maurer’s it’s uneven. We’ve agreed on the fallacies of services and their political spawned evaluations, but I’ll never worship at the Church of This Means That and That Means This. That said, I’m not going to respond to you anymore.

 

[1vol8]

Not so much as differences between the two states but difference in what level of competition the 2 played within their state. HB is doing it vs better competition than BM played in his district in FL. Not all Fl HS districts are strong. Until BM learns to not throw the ball to the opponent this argument is mute really. Injuries and mop up duty will be the only way either backup plays the next 2 seasons. I like BM arm talent and competitive spirit, hopefully he develops nicely.

I agree with most of what you said here. But hear me out. When a qb plays for a bad team in a state like Florida, in an area like Orlando, that team is overmatched on a weekly basis. If the qb on that bad team can physically overcome the defenses he faces on a weekly basis knowing THEY know he is their only player and they still can’t stop him.... it speaks volumes to his individual talent.

Now in comparison to the higher competition HB faces you have to level with yourself. If he plays for one of the top schools in his state and plays the top schools as a result it balances out. The top schools match up in strength, speed, agility ext. therefore deeming the level of competition neutralized. It’s just simply a football game at that point.

I do agree that BM needs to learn not to take chances or at least know when to and when to live to fight another down. What people are (seemingly) choosing to neglect is HB has the same problem. In fact I may even say HB is worse about it. He’s made a living throwing into dbl, sometimes triple coverage. His receivers are and have been exceptional at high pointing, positioning and strength at the point of the catch. Those balls will be picked in the SEC.

 

[1vol8]

I'll agree that you believe it's no secret he's that much better than all our other QBs. And we'll leave it that.

Anyway, I just posted the write up. But yeah, I remember, you also believe media is all giving false or incorrect reports and whatnot.

You must remember that from the last time we were talking and I asked you if you would keep your mouth shut about false info you seen with your own eyes. You never answered.

 

[sjt18]

Hate to tell you that qbs are the hardest to evaluate and therefore the most over or under rated coming out of HS. .

That's not even close to being true and I have no dog in this fight. I hope Maurer, Shrout, and whoever else signs to play with UT are 1st round NFL caliber players. But DL followed by OL is the hardest to evaluate. It ain't close.

 

[1vol8]

You do get animated when your opinion’s disputed.

Not at all. Although I have to admit it’s a little aggravating when the only time some people respond is to try and make you feel stupid. Like your little “us humans have to wait” comment.

Have I ever told you why I finally joined VN? It’s because the people are down to earth and truly love this team. The people on this board KNOW football just as I do. The problem I have with comments like that is in no way did I come at anyone with disrespect. I expect the same treatment from anyone willing to debate a different opinion.

 

[chargervol]

You must remember that from the last time we were talking and I asked you if you would keep your mouth shut about false info you seen with your own eyes. You never answered.

But all of the media is, even though they're rivals for audience.
Conspiracy I tell you!!!
You crazy as tree'd coon, I'll give you that.

Throw out 1 more before I go, one of your go to's

"We all know", "it's no secret" or "we have to accept" followed by some of your area 51 level stuff.

It's my favorite part.

 

[1vol8]

That's not even close to being true and I have no dog in this fight. I hope Maurer, Shrout, and whoever else signs to play with UT are 1st round NFL caliber players. But DL followed by OL is the hardest to evaluate. It ain't close.

I can agree with that. The reason I believe it’s a qb is because his “stats” “ranking” and overall success depends on all 10 players unlike any other position. One guy misses a block and he better have the wheels and pocket presence to get away. One receiver drops a ball and his stats go down. The ball hits a receivers hands and bounces out and it’s his int. No RB and he’s looking at a loaded box all game long or throwing into tighter windows. The list goes on and on.

 

[chargervol]

That's not even close to being true and I have no dog in this fight. I hope Maurer, Shrout, and whoever else signs to play with UT are 1st round NFL caliber players. But DL followed by OL is the hardest to evaluate. It ain't close.

Reminds me that I need to make myself clear. I actually like BM, a lot tbh.

I just have fun with this guy's Manning-Watson combo style of descriptions.
And that BM has actually been out performing all the other QBs and the media is all giving false reports to cover it up. Even Simonton, the VQ rival graduate that doesn't hesitate to nega-bomb any player.

Still not sure if he's implying the coaches are intentionally covering it up also.

 

[1vol8]

But all of the media is, even though they're rivals for audience.
Conspiracy I tell you!!!
You crazy as tree'd coon, I'll give you that.

Throw out 1 more before I go, one of your go to's

"We all know", "it's no secret" or "we have to accept" followed by some of your area 51 level stuff.

It's my favorite part.

Why did you bother posting the back up quotes if you were only looking to degrade someone for their opinion on your post? Idk what it is with you and Butchna that you can’t have a respectable debate with someone that has a different opinion. It’s like your “go to” is putting words in someone’s mouth if you can’t debate the subject matter. You clearly don’t believe every word you’re told so why would you believe every word you read?

 

[1vol8]

Reminds me that I need to make myself clear. I actually like BM, a lot tbh.

I just have fun with this guy's Manning-Watson combo style of descriptions.
And that BM has actually been out performing all the other QBs and the media is all giving false reports to cover it up. Even Simmons, the VQ rival graduate that doesn't hesitate to nega-bomb any player.

Still not sure if he's implying the coaches are intentionally covering it up also.

I told you and anyone else that read it that I personally went and watched a few practices. What I seen and what they wrote about on those days in particular wasn’t completely true. They called JT and BM “erratic” while writing JG looked on point. That was not the case.

 

[KeyVol14]

I agree with most of what you said here. But hear me out. When a qb plays for a bad team in a state like Florida, in an area like Orlando, that team is overmatched on a weekly basis. If the qb on that bad team can physically overcome the defenses he faces on a weekly basis knowing THEY know he is their only player and they still can’t stop him.... it speaks volumes to his individual talent.

Now in comparison to the higher competition HB faces you have to level with yourself. If he plays for one of the top schools in his state and plays the top schools as a result it balances out. The top schools match up in strength, speed, agility ext. therefore deeming the level of competition neutralized. It’s just simply a football game at that point.

I do agree that BM needs to learn not to take chances or at least know when to and when to live to fight another down. What people are (seemingly) choosing to neglect is HB has the same problem. In fact I may even say HB is worse about it. He’s made a living throwing into dbl, sometimes triple coverage. His receivers are and have been exceptional at high pointing, positioning and strength at the point of the catch. Those balls will be picked in the SEC.

Idk man but IMO if HB was on our roster right now, he would be our starting QB prob by Midway of the season. I think he's that good. Brian Maurer is talented and brings an extra dimension but Bailey is head and shoulders more developed as a pure passer.

 

[KeyVol14]

I told you and anyone else that read it that I personally went and watched a few practices. What I seen and what they wrote about on those days in particular wasn’t completely true. They called JT and BM “erratic” while writing JG looked on point. That was not the case.

Aside from the QBs do you feel comfortable with Gooden going down that there can be some production from any of the newcomers? Just asking an honest assessment since you were around the practice?

 

[MikeVol44]

Sometimes you should just wait for CJP to speak on it, before you start pontificating

Why?? none of us do that.....LOLOL

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Aside from the QBs do you feel comfortable with Gooden going down that there can be some production from any of the newcomers? Just asking an honest assessment since you were around the practice?

I think our DL will be fine, only need 4 DT types which I think we have. Our secondary should be good enough this season that Warrior will spend alot of time in the box as an xtra man vs the run. Passing downs I think it's our rushing ends where we may be light. If Crouch can be disruptive rushing the passer we'll be good, if he struggles not sure who steps up at end after our starters. Rumor is that Biscuit's son is looking good at end.

 

[chargervol]

Why did you bother posting the back up quotes if you were only looking to degrade someone for their opinion on your post? Idk what it is with you and Butchna that you can’t have a respectable debate with someone that has a different opinion. It’s like your “go to” is putting words in someone’s mouth if you can’t debate the subject matter. You clearly don’t believe every word you’re told so why would you believe every word you read?

Degrade? Lol, you need to lighten up.

Yeah, you get on message boards and make all the claims you have. Tell people that can't trust, not just the rankings, but camps, every local beat reporter, the opinion posters formed their own eyes and possibly even the coaches(?)
Because 'you told us otherwise'..

But you think we're questioning you too much and not having a serious debate. Cool.