Vols Making Huge Gains with Help of Strength & Conditioning Staff

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MSME Vol said:
To be fair, both the starting dbs are freshmen and been in the weight room for less than a semester.

Now that I think of it, that is the case for a number of our 2 deep. Several linemen didn't get to do much this spring, so they've really only been going hard post rehab since may. DWA didn't come until August. Kirkland should probably still be rehabbing. Same with TKjr.

As others have said, the fact we've basically survived the season with only a couple of fireball related injuries is a major improvement. The real test will be how much of a step all these players make next season.
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It's not just our freshman DBs, Warrior, Ignont, Sapp, they've pretty much all struggled to tackle and bring down receivers and RBs. There's plenty of room for growth, until we are seeing results on the field, touting weight-room warrior records is just 'meh'.
 
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BeardedVol said:
It's not just our freshman DBs, Warrior, Ignont, Sapp, they've pretty much all struggled to tackle and bring down receivers and RBs. There's plenty of room for growth, until we are seeing results on the field, touting weight-room warrior records is just 'meh'.
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Did you read the article or just go on the title? Reading the article they are seeing slow progress. Not sure why the article says Huge gains. Looks like they are seeing a big improvement on players effort in the weight room as well as actually going to class.
 
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What I will be most interested in, in the coming months (6); Strength gains in our current linemen AND our early enrollees. The spring game will give us a good indication as to whether or not our Strength program is working!
 
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I think all of us for the most part understand the hole that the previous staff dug for the program. Their failures affected every aspect: development, S&C, football IQ, temperament, attitude, and so on. Given the hole we were in, everything began from scratch at the beginning of this year. If you look at most programs, players take about 2-3 years to really be able to contribute. Sure we have seen some improvement in CJP's first year; but as last Saturday showed, we have a long way to go. We'll get there. Patience!! Patience!! Patience!! But it's really hard sometimes. Keeping the faith has been really challenging.
 
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KINGSVOL said:
What I will be most interested in, in the coming months (6); Strength gains in our current linemen AND our early enrollees. The spring game will give us a good indication as to whether or not our Strength program is working!
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Someone stated previously not sure this thread or not , but we need bigger framed kids on the OL/DL. I am not really sure you are going to see the current roster outside of this years freshmen make a big push in size. Most of the kids on this roster have pretty narrow shoulders. I mean Tatum honestly has the build of a TE just 15 pounds too heavy.
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
Did you read the article or just go on the title? Reading the article they are seeing slow progress. Not sure why the article says Huge gains. Looks like they are seeing a big improvement on players effort in the weight room as well as actually going to class.
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I did read the article, it's good of them to acknowledge that considering Fitzgerald was hired in January, the weight room gains have been pretty slow considering where we are in the season.

It's not like Fitzgerald came in here and had to turn a bunch of 600lb. couch turds into football players in 6 months, these players were in decent football shape to start with. If you feel the need to sing Fitzgerald's praises, feel free to do so, but the team still looks weak and soft on the field every Saturday . The only real improvement that's discernible at the moment is that we seem to be much less injury prone now than the last 5 years, which is definitely a positive for S&C.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I did read the article, it's good of them to acknowledge that considering Fitzgerald was hired in January, the weight room gains have been pretty slow considering where we are in the season.

It's not like Fitzgerald came in here and had to turn a bunch of 600lb. couch turds into football players in 6 months, these players were in decent football shape to start with. If you feel the need to sing Fitzgerald's praises, feel free to do so, but the team still looks weak and soft on the field every Saturday . The only real improvement that's discernible at the moment is that we seem to be much less injury prone now than the last 5 years, which is definitely a positive for S&C.
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I am by no means singing his praises although he can only work with what he has. Look at how narrow the shoulders are on the linemen. He had what 6-7 months to try to build them up before the season began and then it was maintenance training? You can only add so much in a short amount of time. I think you have to give it till next year before you start to judge if he is doing a solid job or not.
 
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BeardedVol said:
"Fixed" is a relative term, but 11 months in a college-level S&C program, with a former NFL S&C coordinator, with the facilities and nutrition staff should be enough for most human beings to see radical changes in their health and physique.
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We have started to see those benefits. So what's your point?
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
Our OL is vastly undersized. That kind of change is not going to happen in 10 months during the heart of the season. I would be willing to bet that most of our OL are 10 pounds lighter at this point in the season than when we started. It is hard to add size doing what they are doing during the season. That is part of the reason people say it will take 3-4 good years.
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Agreed! Our Post Smith OL looks Like a Sun Belt Squad. I bet they average 270. Our Opponents Lines Average 310. THATS almost impossible.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We have started to see those benefits. So what's your point?
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That's a debatable matter of opinion; we've got 11 games worth of film that disagree with you at the moment.

I do believe that the sustained workout schedule and continued weight training in the season has positively impacted the team in the lower occurrence of injuries.
 
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m1al said:
And the point made to you is there hasn't been enough time to make a significant difference. Doesn't matter which position group you apply it to.
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Perhaps then, the articles title is misleading?

I’m not attacking or defending either way, but the very headline “huge gains” indicates there should be some visible proof. There isn’t.
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
Someone stated previously not sure this thread or not , but we need bigger framed kids on the OL/DL. I am not really sure you are going to see the current roster outside of this years freshmen make a big push in size. Most of the kids on this roster have pretty narrow shoulders. I mean Tatum honestly has the build of a TE just 15 pounds too heavy.
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I agree, hopefully some of the "smaller framed" guys get repurposed over the short term and or used situationally once we have a strong one deep on both sides of the ball. If recruiting goes the way we all hope, we could see these improvements as early as next year!
 
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Roustabout said:
No question that injuries are way down. The off season is where the strength and size gains come. You can’t be on a full fledged lifting program in the middle of the season.
The Oline still looks way too small.
I think this team struggles mentally more than physically. Too many busts and missed assignments.
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Marcus Tatum and nitheaius were both way undersized when recruited out of HS. There’s no strength and conditioning to fix there situations. As far as putting on size in general and gaining muscle mass It usually takes 2 years In a consistent workout regimen to actually see and notice considerable gains. Strength will come first
 
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BeardedVol said:
That's a debatable matter of opinion; we've got 11 games worth of film that disagree with you at the moment.

I do believe that the sustained workout schedule and continued weight training in the season has positively impacted the team in the lower occurrence of injuries.
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Its only debatable to those who just want to throw shade on things. So congrats.
 
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It appears the Vols have indeed made progress in strength and conditioning, but the Mizzou game reminds Vol fans how far they are behind other SEC schools
 
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Cartervol said:
Makes you wonder what exactly Butch's plans were for the future. Surely he knew that wasn't going to work. I still think he was just going through the motions last year.
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Butch had already written his own epitaph when he sold his soul1542841473196.gif
 
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BeardedVol said:
I did read the article, it's good of them to acknowledge that considering Fitzgerald was hired in January, the weight room gains have been pretty slow considering where we are in the season.

It's not like Fitzgerald came in here and had to turn a bunch of 600lb. couch turds into football players in 6 months, these players were in decent football shape to start with. If you feel the need to sing Fitzgerald's praises, feel free to do so, but the team still looks weak and soft on the field every Saturday . The only real improvement that's discernible at the moment is that we seem to be much less injury prone now than the last 5 years, which is definitely a positive for S&C.
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That's a good place to start.
It's hard to contribute if your not dressed out.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Has watching the offensive and defensive lines getting abused all season long caused you to have selective amnesia?
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Nope. I just dont see why you have a problem with this article. Or that you cannot see that gains have been made. S&C gains are not typically extremely fast things. It depends on a lot of factors. But the lack of injuries has been a huge gain. Thats S&C. Are we where we need to be? Not even close and by reading the article, you can tell Fitz knows that.

I mean what did you expect? We havent had a real S&C program since 2015.
 
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